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Greetings All,
Having a bit of a problem finding information on the following:
Richard Cheeseman b: abt 1823 Chatham.
Jane Dyke b: abt 1831 SevenOaks.
They married about 1852, I think in SevenOaks.
They emigrated in 1852, left Gravesend on board the Norman Morison 16 Aug 1852, and arrived at Victoria, Vancouver Island 16 Jan 1853.
I do not have any information re the actual birth dates or marriage date, and I know nothing of the parents.
Any help or suggestions along these lines would be great, Thanks in advance, regards Ian.
All the best of the season to all.
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Hello Veloce
Could this be Jane on the 1851 census?
Ref: HO107/1613 Folio 59
James Reeves Head 25 b Oxford, Kent Ag Lab
Mary Reeves Wife 20 b Kemsing, Kent
Jesse Reeves Son 1mth b Kemsing, Kent
Jane Dyke Cousin 20 b Kemsing, Kent Domestic general servant
Heverham, Kemsing, Kent
Reg Dist: Sevenoaks
Sue
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Can't find Richard on the 1851 census.
The closest match I could find was born @ 1833, Hawkhurst, Kent
married to Martha & living in Yalding, Kent.
Sue
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Hi Sue,
Thanks very much for your effort. The one re Jane Dyke fits as far as the age goes, so will be worth my following up on.
As I said in my post, I have no information about the parents/families of either Richard or Jane.
Thanks, regards, Ian
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Hi Ian
The marriage took place in 1852 and the certificate is held by the Gravesend Registry Office (Jane has been indexed as James and Richard as CHEESMAN)
http://extranet3.kent.gov.uk/sp/rois/marriagesearch.cfm
These are the towns and villages currently covered by the present Gravesend Registry Office
Ash (nr Ridley), Chalk, Cobham, Crockenhill, Darenth, Dartford, Eynsford, Farningham, Fawkham, Galley Hill, Gravesend, Greenhithe, Green Street Green, Higham, Hartley, Horton Kirby, Ifield, Leywood, Longfield, Luddesdown, Meopham, Milton (nr Gravesend), Northfleet, Nursted, Ridley, Rosherville, Shorne, Southfleet, Stone (nr Dartford), Swanley, Swanscombe, Sutton at Hone, West Kingsdown, Wilmington
http://www.kfhs.org.uk/kentinfo-1.htm
Parish registers (C of E) for some of these parishes are available online - quite a lot to work through but may be worthwhile to see if you can find it without having to purchase a certificate:
http://cityark.medway.gov.uk/query/results/?Mode=Search&PathList=%2FZ4a_Medway_Ancestors%2F%0A&SearchWords=&DateList
Do let us know how you get on - it may help to locate Richard and confirm Jane in 1851
Casalguidi :)
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Hi Casalguidi,
Thanks for your efforts, this gives me place to start, will let you know what I find out.
The best of the season, regards Ian
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Hi Ian,
Here's a possible entry for Jane in 1841:
ref HO107 483-09 folio 6 page 6: Malthouse, Kemsing
John Dyke age 35 ag lab
Ann do age 35
Jane do age 9
George do age 7
Thomas do age 6
Aaron do age 3
Mary do age 1
all born in county except Ann, who is shown as born abroad
xx Carol
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And here's a possible entry for Richard in 1851, although the age is a little bit out:
ref HO107 1613a folio 122 page 17: Shoreham village
Sarah Cheeseman head wid age 74 born Shoreham
Alfred do son un age 29 ag lab born do
Richard do grandson un age 23 ag lab born do
William do grandson un age 17 born do
and living next door
Richard Cheeseman head mar age 47 ag lab born Shoreham
Sarah do wife mar age 28 born do
Henry do son age 2 born do
xx Carol
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Here's the Cheeseman's in 1841:
ref HO107 485-06 folio 21 page 13: Shoreham Street, Shoreham
Thomas Cheeseman age 70 ag lab
Sarah do age 60
Richard do age 35 ag lab
Alfred do age 15 ag lab
Richard do age 10
William do age 6
all born in county
xx Carol
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Hi Carol,
Many thanks for your time and effort on my behalf, this is starting to look quite promising. We now have much more than we ever had before.
Once again many thanks, regards Ian.
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Hi there,
Just seen the info you ahve been sent on Cheeseman, I am a descendant of the Thomas and Sarah mentioned, their line married into my Booker and Whiffen families which turns out to be quite a round robin.
If you want anymore info please ask.
Gareth
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hi , i have Cheeseman's from kent in my family tree but none in Canada. mine married into the Jutsum family in Chelsea .London . do you have any more info we can share . thanks . jan
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Jane Dyke: Baptised, Kemsing, 18/12/1831. Married Richard Cheeseman 08/08/1852 at Sutton_at Hone. Died, 20/08/1897 at Victoria, British Columbia, Canada.
Daughter of John Dyke, Baptised Kemsing, 12/10/1806. Died between 1841 & 1851. Mother Anne, surname unknown , born in Ireland.
Parents of John Dyke: Aaron Dyke born circa 1769, place unknown. Mother Sarah Cheeseman, baptised at Otford 28/01/1776. Married Aaron Dyke, Kemsing, 13/11/1800. Buried, Kemsing, 06/02/1853.
Parents of Sarah Cheeseman: John Cheeseman married Sarah Twiner, Otford, 15/01/1767. John Died, Kemsing, 21/10/1827.
Richard Cheeseman was also a grandchild of Aaron Dyke and Sarah Cheeseman, via their son James, hence Jane and Richard were first cousins.
Jane and Richard were pioneering founders of the City of Victoria, Vancouver Island, BC. Lots more info but I need to dig it out.
Aaron and Sarah Dyke are my 3xgreat grandparents. Unfortunately for past 11 years Aaron's origins have remained a brick wall.
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Thanks for that Bob. It fills in quite a few blanks. Richard and Jane are my gg grandparents and I had no background on them.
Kindest regards, Ian
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Glad you like it. Unfortunately, I made a mistake with Jane and Richard's status as cousins. Aaron Dyke's wife had a brother called James who had a son also called James, who was Richard's father. Therefore Jane and Richard were second cousins both shared the same great grandparents; John and Sarah (nee Twiner) Cheeseman.
Will sort out some more info on Jane and Richard this weekend,mostly on their activities on Vancouver Island, sent to me by a US correspondent also a descendant of Sarah and Jane.
Also there were quite a few Whiffens and Bookers in the Kemsing and adjacent area.
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Further information on Jane Dyke and Richard Cheeseman.
The following is taken from Parish Registers for the Parish named, Jane's lineage in red, Richard's blue:
The children of John Cheeseman and Sarah (nee Twiner).
1) Elizabeth bapt 17 May 1767. Otford, Kent.
2) Thomas bapt 27 Nov 1768. Otford, Kent.
3) John bapt 20 Jan 1771. Otford. Married Sarah Styles 28 Feb 1813 at West Kingsdown, Kent.
4) William bapt 27 Jan 1773. Otford.
5) Sarah bapt 28 Jan 1776. Otford. Married Aaron Dyke, 13 Nov 1800, Kemsing. Buried 6 Feb 1853 Kemsing.
6) Walter bapt 8 Feb 1778, Otford.
7) Henry bapt 6 Feb 1780 Otford.
8) Samuel bapt 8 Feb 1782 Otford. Died 12 Oct 1853. Married to Phillis who died 6 Jul 1850.
9) Mary bapt 15 Aug 1784, Otford. Married Thomas Beanam 13 Oct 1832, West Kingsdown.
10) James bapt 18 Jun 1786, Otford.
Children of Aaron & Sarah Dyke (nee Cheeseman)
1) Mary bapt 21 Jun 1801. Kemsing
2) Thomas bapt 13 Feb 1803. Kemsing.
3) James bapt 16 Jun 1805. Kemsing. Buried 18 Jan 1827, Kemsing, died at Seal.
4) John bapt 12 Oct 1806. Kemsing. Married Anne unknown date, Irish born.
5) Jane unbaptised buried 18 Oct 1808. Kemsing.
6) Jesse born 6 Sep 1809, bapt 17 Sep 1809, Kemsing. Married Sarah Longley 13 Dec 1830, West Kingsdown. Died 12 Mar 1887 (family bible).
7) Joseph bapt 23 Aug 1812. Kemsing.
8) George bapt 16 Apr 1816. Kemsing
9) Charlotte bapt 12 Jan 1817. Kemsing
10) William bapt 21 Mar 1819. Kemsing. Married Charlotte Arnold 9 Apr 1853, Ightham Kent.
Children of James Cheeseman & Elizabeth (unknown)
1) James bapt 21 Mar 1813. Sutton at Hone.
2) Harriet bapt 21 May 1815. Sutton at Hone.
3) Jane Elizabeth bapt 17 May 1818. Sutton at Hone.
4) Sarah Marrion bapt 15 Apr 1818. Sutton at Hone.
5) Richard bapt 19 Oct 1823. Sutton at Hone.
Children of John Dyke & Anne (unknown)
1) Jane bapt 18 Dec 1831. Kemsing.
2) George bapt 11 Aug 1833. Kemsing.
3) Thomas bapt 16 Aug 1835. Kemsing.
4) Aaron bapt 17 Dec 1837. Kemsing
5) Mary bapt 8 Mar 1840. Kemsing
Most of the names in the above two families agree with known names passed down orally to 2 people I have corresponded with in the past 10 years both descendants, via different branches 1 ending in Washington State USA, the other in BC, Canada. Thus there is a fairly high degree of confidence in Jane and Richard's pedigree.
The following information, somewhat condensed has been passed to me by my US contact:
Richard Cheeseman had joined the Hudson Bay Company in about 1849 and shortly afterwards had been assigned to Fort Victoria, Vancouver Island, British Columbia, and purchased some 5 acres of land in the settlement (only a few years after the Island became a British Colony under agreement with the US government). In 1852, Richard returned home to marry Jane and immediately the pair sailed in the HBC ship "Norman Morison" for Fort Victoria. During the voyage, Jane gave birth to her first child, reputedly in a severe storm, whilst rounding Cape Horn. They arrived at Fort Victoria in January 1853. Soon Richard obtained a release from the HBC, bought more land in the area north of Fort Victoria. Richard and Jane built a home and a Hotel they called "Royal Oak". By 1860 Jane and Richard had four children, but in 1862 Richard was killed when his horses bolted. Jane lived on to marry twice more. She died on August 20th 1897 and is buried at St Stephen's Anglican Church.
Ian, a number of Whiffens and Booker families were in the Kemsing area ( a Whiffen married one of my great great grandfather Jesse Dyke's daughters. Regards Bob.