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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: thor on Friday 16 December 05 15:06 GMT (UK)
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Can some one have a look on the 1851 census for james benson b. 1829 kirkudbright and his wife jane/jean b.1832/3 not sure where, they may have a son peter with them and he would be about 1year.
Thanks ???
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Hi Thor,
I can't see James in 1851 index, but I've found him on the 1861 index.
Census taken Old Monkland 652/2 enum dist 11 pages 14/15
James Benson age 30 born Gatehouse KKD
Jane age 27 born Blackemey? KKD
Peter age 11 born Old Monklands
Mary age 9 born O/M
Margaret age 7 born O/M
Alexander age 5 born O/M
Jessie age 1 born O/M
Cheers Liz :)
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Is the coatbridge census different fom the old monkland census? I wonder if they were there as they married in coatbridge in 1850
thanks :-\
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Hi Thor,
Coatbridge comes under Old Monkland, I had another look at the Lanarkshire 1851 index, I also had a look at the Glasgow index for 1851, sorry, But I can't see them there.
Liz :)
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Hi capricorn
thanks for trying anyway, I am stumped since I know they were married there had their children there and james worked at rosehall colliery. I really needed to pin down his wife jane/jean. she was born jane/jean armstrong and trying to discover which one she is is proving a nightmare :-[ so I thought if it gave me a definate place of birth it would be a good start.
I suppose if she has said kirkcudbright in 1861 she may be there visiting relatives, the trouble is in later census she says she was born in glasgow or she just says scotland :-\
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There is a Benson family living in Old Monkland in the 1851 index which has links with Kirkcudbright .... but it's not linked with the names you have given
Peter Benson 40 born Ireland
Margaret Benson 39 born Kirkcudbright
John Benson 18 born Kirkcudbright
Thomas 16 born Kirkcudbright
William 12 born Paisley
Ann 6 born Airdrie.
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Hi falkryn
these bensons are his parents and siblings, I will try to widen the search now as it looks like they aren't in the general area :-\
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Hi There,
Don't know if you are still out ther/interested in the bensons-but if you are can give you some later history as I have been investigating my wife's final history.
She goes back to James Benson-Peter's son born in 1828, who later moved to England to work as a miner in Staffordshire, married a jane and they had a biggish family. He died there in 1869 and his wife in 1897.
Did you ever find out about Peter?
Cheers
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Hi Chuzzle...yes this is the same family I have been looking into...James and Jane were my GGG Grandparents..not sure what info you already have on Peter, but he was Irish , married to Margaret Carson and he possibly had a brother Thomas born 1821....their parents were James Benson and Sarah Irving/Irvine...this James was a field labourer....other than that I haven't managed to find anything else out although if they were Irish its likely the came from Northern Ireland and the problem with Irish Family history is the lack of records.
Which of James' branch is your wife from?..I am from James 1863 twin of Isabella :)
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Hi Thor,
Are you sure that they were married in the 1851 census?
Address: Main Street, Cumbernauld Dumbartonshire
McNaughton Peter Head age 24 born Silco County Ireland
McNaughton Bridget age24 wife
Martimar Martin Lodger age21
Benson James Lodger age 22 unmarried born 1829
Termon Peter Lodger age 20
They all had the same birth place but as you know that is not always correct.
Normamac
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1841 census
All Bensons born outside county
Thomas McWhity 25
Jeane McWhity 35
William McWhity 5
Peter Benson 30 Occupation: Copper M
Margrate Benson 25
James Benson 10
John Benson 9
Thomas Benson 5
William Benson 1
Address: Duggate Street Glasgow
1851 census for James' wife and son
John White 31
Charlotte White 34
Thomas White 8
Charlotte White 6
John White 3
William White 8 MO
Jean Benson 19 lodger born: New Monkland, Lanarkshire
Peter Benson 9 MO lodger born: Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
Address: Steelend Saline Fife
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OPR BAPTISM and marriage
02/04/1854 BENSON MARGARET daur of JAMES BENSON and JEAN ARMSTRONG at OLD MONKLAND OR COATBRIDGE /LANARK
27/08/1850 BENSON JAMES and JANE ARMSTRONG at OLD MONKLAND OR COATBRIDGE /LANARK
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Hi All who have replied since I revived this stream a few days ago.
I will try to comment on a few things across several replies:
Distant relatives first-Thor.
My wife Gill is the daughter of a Barbara Fogden, who was in turn the daughter of Vera Benson, who was the daughter of John Thomas Benson a tobacconist in Oxford. He was the youngest son of James Benson, much discussed in this stream. He was one of only two children born in England Staffs, where James had gone to work as a miner-he died 6 mths before the birth. So James is my wife' Great, Great Grandfather. JT's "10" siblings were James, Isabella, Mary, Margaret, Alice, James, Charlotte, Peter, Alexander and Jessie.
Jane Armstrong has been hard to track down-possibly because of the interchangeable Jean/Jane noted by Sancti.
The 1841 census I had seen and I think the James Benson lodging on his own in 1851-despite marriage the year before does not surprise-I had found that as well-it is interesting that it is with an Irish family and in a mining area. James became a miner and his father Peter was from Ireland-in that other than some suggestions that Benson/Irving was common in Belfast/Shankill-we have no idea which bit, then maybe there was a connection to Sligo?.
I don't think the 1851 census for Jean/Jane is right. there is no way they had a 9yr old son and I think there is evidence that Jane came from old Benson home area of Galloway-Near to Gatehouse of Fleet-Blackcraig?. To many Armstrongs and limited birth/census records mean that I am not sure I have properly tracked her down in 1841 as yet.
Cheers
Chuzzle
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Sorry just noted a typo-For the second James sibling please read Jane.
Obviously all the rest born in Old Monklands.
Apart from deadend around peter benson in Ireland and his parents James(a field labourer) and sarah irving, I have also hit a dead end with Jane/jean armstrong(though she may be working as a servant in troqueer, galloway in 1851? and also margaret carson. Again bags of carsons in Galloway and in the absence of census info it has been hard to track down her parents of william carson(saddler) and Sarah Clyne?
Very interested in these as we now live in Dumfries & Galloway so by accident have ended up close to some of my wife's ancestors.
Cheers
Chuzzle
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Chuzzle in the 1851 census James is 9 MO i.e. 9 Months
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Hmmmm,
I should learn to read-that is a bit more doable.
I guess you mean peter and not james?
Peter fits, but.....
I am still concerned that she is the right one though-mostly cos the 1861 census has her with a ditto under her hubby's "gallowayshire" birth place but then "Blackcraig" rather than Gatehouse. This seems very detailed to be wong and clashes with the New Monkland birth place of 1851's Jean Benson.
More research I think
Chuzzle
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Sorry for the confusion with James/Peter, I was looking at the 1850 BAPTISM for James who would have been 9 months old at the 1851 census. There are strong links between Lanarkshire and Fife due to mining.
As you are aware the birthplaces given on census records are not always accurate
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Hi chuzzle...the entry for jane/jean 1851 and baby peter is correct she was visiting her friend charlotte white...I tracked charlotte through the marriages and she was from old monkland...
Jane/jean was from the blackcraig area...I seem to remember seeing her on 1841 census working as a servant but its been a while since I've looked at this..
Margaret was born in gatehouse in the parish of fleet...this is on her marriage certificate ..the information on her parents came from her death certificate as she died in that magic year 1855 when they recorded everything they could think of ;)