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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: ~Rachel~ on Saturday 03 December 05 15:24 GMT (UK)
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I have an ancestor, Wallace Nash, who was born abt. 1858.
I found a Wallace Nask on www.familysearch.org who was christened in 1863. The place looks right, as do the names of his paretns. The only thing putting me off is that amount of time between the two dates.
Does anyone have any thoughts?
Also, if I have breached the copyright thing can someone let me exactly what it is I have done wrong and what I need to do? :-[
Thanks!
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It is very possible that these are one and the same it was quite common for children not to be baptised until they were a few years old. I have quite a few of them on my tree. To confirm it though you will have to get Wallace's birth cert which will name his parents.
Sharon
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Hi Rachel,
Sometimes parents would christen several of their children at once so 1863 can be a match. However, I see the christening you have found is a member-submitted record and not an extracted christening from parish records, so I'd advise you not to take it for granted.
Not sure this helps ???
Tanja :)
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Thanks very much for the advice both of you - I can't get the birth certificate yet as I haven't yet been able to find it, I got his rough birth date from the census but I'll persevere with it!
When I started doing my family history I didn't realise how expensive it would all get! ;D
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Just checked the igi batch numbers for St. James ,Bristol but they don't have them for the 18th and 19th centuries yet so you might have to ask someone on the Bristol board for a look up.
Sharon
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Thanks Sharon, sorry if this is a silly question but what exactly are the batch numbers?
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Not a silly question, the batch numbers are the indexes numbers to transcribed parish records. At the bottom of the IGI search page there is a box to place them so you can search just a single parishs records. There is one for ever parish that has been transcribed.
Here is the index to the batch numbers for England.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountryEngland.htm
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I think I understood that, cheers! I'll have a play around with it.
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I made a breakthrough when I found a baptism for my ancestor taking place when she was 18 years old. I have also heard of people getting baptised in their 20s. I know it's not unusual now, with some free churches going in for adult baptism, but in the 18th and 19th centuries it was not the norm. Golden rule of genealogy - whenever you have enough evidence to suggest that you have found a pattern that obeys a rule, you can guarantee that the first time you need to apply the rule, it will not hold true.
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Hi all
Sometimes there wer late baptisms and say 3 children all got baptised at once and all were varying ages! Usually it was anywhere from 6 weeks to 3 months or even 1 month old when people seemed to be baptised.
Nick - I love that golden rule - it has happened to me a few times. I have circumstantial evidence on a direct ancestor with right names and places where children were born and his wifes first name etc, but I cannot find direct evidence that he is definitely mine ancestor. He was a mine owner near Shifnal.
John Rowley
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I have one from the 1830s with a 5-year gap, and she's Church of England.
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I have one baptism in the family that took place just prior to marriage.
Anything is possible!! ;D
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In our family it has been a long held tradition that babies were baptised/christened one year and one day after they were born!
More interesting baptism info at this link
http://re-xs.ucsm.ac.uk/gcsere/revision/xtianity/ch2/4/1.html
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In on efamily I found 4 children up to age of 13 were christened on one day, in another family which moved, the children were re-christened at the new location!
Bob
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The IGI 'record' you have found for Wallace Nask is not a record taken from a parish register but an entry submitted by a member of the church (Mormon). It might be correct, it might not, as sometimes individual members' submissions can be inaccurate.
The entry gives the parents of Wallace Nask as George Ward Nask and Fanny Ulnar. FreeBMD has no entries for such surnames in the civil registration but it does have a marriage entry for two very similarly named individuals
COOK, Fanny Eulnar 1844 September Marriages Newington London Surrey
NASH, George Ward 1844 September Marriages Newington London Surrey
and Fanny's death
Nash, Fanny Eulner 1879 March Deaths Barton Regis Gloucestershire
On the 1871 census there is a Wallace Nash born circa 1858 'Blackwall' Middlesex staying with his aunt and her family in West Ham Essex. One of his cousins was born in Bristol.
Regards
Valda
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Thanks for the help again. :)
Valda - does that mean that they were Mormons then or just the member who submitted it was?
George Ward Nash definitely fits in - I ordered the birth certificate of Wallace's brother to be sure. Can't find Wallace's birth anywhere yet.
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The member who submitted the entry was Mormon, but may or may not be a direct descendant, or they could just be a distant connection more through marriage. Their research could be good or pretty bad and just guess work on their part. The church does not vet the standard of entries from individual members.
Fanny Eulner Nash was 64 on her death in Gloucestershire in 1879. There is a Fanny E Nash aged 51 in Bristol (Barton Regis registration district so named in 1877 took over from the old Clifton registration district - part now of Bristol) on the 1871 census. There is a difference in age between the two, but I think they are the same person. On the 1871 census Fanny E. was a servant in a Bristol household - a monthly nurse whose status was given as married (though widows sometimes gave their status as such). Either the death registration or the 1871 census entry (details given by the householder) could be incorrect. The 1861 census entry would seem to confirm the information on her age is inaccurate on the 1871 census.
1861 census RG9 1720 folio 126
7 Cherry Lane Bristol St James Gloucestershire
Fanny Nash 45 London, Head Married Tailoress
George Nash 15 Bristol Son
Kate Nash 6 Bristol Daughter
Wolice Nash 3 Bristol Son
Fredk Nash 1 Bristol Son
1851 census HO107 1953 folio 214
Ashly Road Bristol St Paul Gloucestershire
G Nash 40 Chew Stoke, Somerset, Head Married Tailor
Fanny Nash 42 Chelsea Wife Married Tailoress
Fanny Nash 3 Worfield, Gloucestershire, Daughter
George Nash 5 Bristol St Paul
Again an incorrect age for Fanny on the census - she was probably nearer 32.
I cannot find George senior on either the 1861 and 1871 censuses so I would keep an open mind on when he actually died.
Chewstoke parish records are not as far as I know on the IGI.
Regards
Valda
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Cheers Valda - that helps a lot. I always get put off when ages don't mtch up but I guess they made mistakes as much as we do!
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How about this then:
Ann Seward Baptised Wambrook 8/3/1789 aged 22?
but the only birth we think we have found for her is Wambrook 1725, if so she would have been 64.
Her parents were Edward and Ann Seward.
She married Henry Fry 28-Oct-1756, Wambrook
The first child we've found was Amy in 1769, Wambrook
and second William 30-Jun-1771, Wambrook
If she was 22 in 1789 she married at the age of -11 perhaps it is a misreading of 55?
If she was 64, she married at the age of 31 and had known children at 44 and 46 - which also seems a bit strange and 1735 would be a more reasonable birth date.
I understand that the Wambrook register is in a very poor condition. There could be records at Chardstock, Membury or Axminster as well for this couple.
Ho. Hum
Watermusic
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I have an ancestor, Wallace Nash, who was born abt. 1858.
I found a Wallace Nask on www.familysearch.org who was christened in 1863. The place looks right, as do the names of his paretns. The only thing putting me off is that amount of time between the two dates.
The other thing to think of is, did child 1 die young and are you looking at the baptism of child 2? Quite common to use the same name again.
John
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If that were true in this case then Fanny the mother would have been about 48 when a second Wallace was born circa 1863.
Regards
Valda