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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: Welsh Jen on Sunday 05 September 04 12:52 BST (UK)
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I am sure I recall someone somewhere (not sure where) researching a RUFUS JARMAN I have come across a Monumental Inscription for this individual which I have photographed if someone wishes to have a copy the inscriptions is as follows:
RUFUS JARMAN Of Rosenau Datchet August 1, 1871
The grave is located in St Peters Church Cockett Churchyard Cockett Swansea South Wales
Regards
Jen L Colbert
(Welsh Jen)
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Thanks for this, will pass it on to colleague in Slough who is researching the Jarmans here. The main Bucks group of family monuments & stained glass window is in Datchet parish church (now Berks since 1974)
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It has been some time since the grave of Rufus Jarman was listed with RootsChat but I trust those involved can be contacted at this late stage .
I am a direct descendant to one of his brothers , his father was John Boykett Jarman well known as a collector of ancient manuscripts in museums today.
Rufus grandfather was Sir Charles Boykett Jarman and he was only a few generations from Charles II , our existance came from bastards one might say , Sir Charles & Elizabeth are within the Deans Cloister at St Georges Chapel Windsor Castle .
Rufus , the second eldest son had a difficult time with paternal attitudes ; moreso to the expectations in being close to royalty but at arms length one might say , although in his case , Rufus drowned .
Although I have some information passed down from my ancestors , anyone able to add to my records of the Jarmans at Rosenan Datchet ( prior to 1870 ) would be much appreciated , thank you .
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I too am interested in the Rufus Jarman who was said to have drowned in front of Rosenau at Datchet. Clearly this is not true.
In fact the inscription placed in the Datchet church by Boykett Jarman's eldest daughter, Anne indicates that it was Egbert who drowned there on 15th August 1848 aged 25.
I am descended from their half-brother John Charles FitxJohn Hall
MegM
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I am the original poster of the Datchet / Slough info and am in touch with relatives of yours who have done a great deal of good research. You're welcome to email me:
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I am also interested in this family because the brother of my 2x great grandmother, William James Beadel, married Elizabeth Appolonia Jarman - so his children were descendants of John Boykett Jarman. Those children were Reginald Boykett Beadel, Lilian Mary Beadel (married name Dyer), Linda Lucette Beadel and Rupert William Beadel. I know that Lilian married a clergyman and lived for many years in White Waltham Berkshire and that Linda, still a spinster, was killed by a motor car in 1906. The fate of both sons was a mystery to me for many years but I have more recently discovered that Rupert emigrated to Australia (Sydney), married there in 1885 and died there in 1913, leaving one son who seems not to have married. I came across a solicitors notice dated 1937 in a Sydney newspaper asking the widow or son of Rupert William Beadel to contact them in order to hear something to their advantage, and wondered if this was in some connection with the will of Ann Elizabeth Jarman, which was still being executed at that time according to entries in the London Gazette.
My reason for posting is really because I am wondering if any Jarman researchers have come across any information at all about Reginald Boykett Beadel (born c. 1855). He was at Cambridge University in the mid 1870's but his entry there gives no indication of his subsequent career and I don't think it is even clear that he graduated. He must have been alive when his father died in 1892 as he is mentioned in the will, but there are no later census entries, marriage or death records for him in England - so emigration seems the most likely thing.
Lynda
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Hi Linda
Welcome to Rootschat! :)
Welsh Jen hasn't been back to Rootschat for a while and some of the others on this thread only have one post - but I'll keep my fingers crossed that they get a notification of your post and return to greet you!
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Hi Lynda - I'm a descendant (Australian) of Elizabeth Appolonia's half-brother, and am fascinated by the fact that Ann Jarman's will was still being executed more than 40 years after her death.
Do you have any idea why?
Can the original will be accessed?
The last mention of any Australian descendants of the Jarmans is in a document dated 1911 -- probably not much use to you.
I can follow it up for you - but not for a couple of weeks. I'm a bit time-short at present
MegM
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Hello Lynda ,
I have to say I was intrigued see this branch of the Jarman family tree .
My connection is similar to that of MegM as previously documented ; although I have seen the Beadel name during my research , there has been little handed down in reference .
I'm often searching for information & if I come across any relevant items of interest , I would be happy to pass them on....
Fitz John Hall
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Thank you to both of you for your replies. I am interested to know that there was a half-brother to the Jarman siblings. Who was his parent and when was he born ?
I am also intrigued about Ann Elizabeth's will, especially as William James Beadel (Elizabeth Appolonia's widower) referred in his own will to certain conditions in a Jarman document that his children had to abide by. He stated that he agreed with these conditions. I used to think that this might have referred to John Boykett Jarman's will, but I only discovered yesterday that he died intestate (rather surprisingly, I should think !). So it was probably Ann Elizabeth's - though I will have to check the date again because William Beadel died himself only a year after Ann Elizabeth. In the 1930's it seems that they were perhaps trying to wind up a trust - I'm afraid I don't understand these things very well. All the children and known grandchildren of John Boykett were listed and people with a claim on this trust were asked to get in touch.
I have been a bit slow in getting hold of this will but I will try to do so soon. Unfortunately it's one of the few things that can't be done on the Internet these days and I have been getting lazy. It could well give me a clue to where Reginald had got to. I was interested to find out yesterday that Jane Jarman had married in Australia, so Rupert would have already had an aunt there.
Thanks for your interest. I will let you know when I have a copy of the will.
Lynda
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I have records on a Robert and Esther JARMAN and 4 children coming to Australia 1853 if that helps anyone.
Cheers
Annie
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Lynda hi - I've had a bit of luck -Found in my records a newspaper cutting headed SLOUGH/ Death and Burial of Miss Jarman. (dated by hand April 1891).
Mr W J Beadel MP for Brentwood was present, and further on were mentioned Mr Reginald Beadel and Mr Rupert Beadel as being at the Langley Church.
No indication of what paper it came from - but clearly was local
MegM
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Thank you very much for that. I am quite surprised to see that Rupert had apparently returned to England and was present at the funeral. For some reason I had imagined he had cut himself off from the family. In Australia he was a tanner, very different from his father's line of business. And in the Australian announcement of his marriage, no mention is made of his parentage. Interesting to see too that Reginald was present. This is my first "sighting" of him since the 1881 census. Neither of them can be located in the 1891 census so they might well both have just arrived back from abroad. The paper got it a little wrong about William Beadel's constituency. He lived near Brentwood at that time, but was MP for Chelmsford. Another thing I discovered yesterday was that this Slough paper has been digitised and put online. I found the index entry for Reginald etc - also many other references to Jarman. But frustratingly the link to a zoomable copy of the pages doesn't work. I have contacted Slough library to ask about the fault. Have also decided to visit the will repository in London today to order a copy of Ann Elizabeth's will and am on my way now.
Lynda
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Hi, Lynda - are you sure it's the right Rupert (tho' it's an uncommon name in Australia)? Working as a tanner was - I think - very far down the socio-economic scale -- simply because of the smells and the chemicals used. As I understand it, it was an awful job.
I find it hard to imagine an 'announcement of marriage' for a tanner -- it's rather like a rabbitoh or a station hand announcing their marriage in The (London)Times.
Could I help -- living in Oz?
To know the beneficiaries of Ann Jarman's will would explain a whole lot of puzzles that I've had , trying to untangle the family tree.
Strength to your arm!
MegM
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Well, that's what I thought as well - about the low status of a tanner. It all seems a bit odd, but this family did put several announcements in the newspaper, particularly about the funeral of their young daughter and subsequent in-memoriam notices. I have just come across these announcements on-line as well and you can see them if you search this site for Beadel: newspapers.nla.gov.au.
If you know Sydney at all you might be able to tell what sort of neighbourhoods they lived in - but I realise that you are quite likely to live hundreds of miles away ! I have started to wonder if he perhaps owned a tanning business or something. It must be the right Rupert as it is not a common name at all - and there are clues on the Australian side to confirm that he was the son of William James Beadel - mentioned on his death and/or marriage certificates for example. It does seem strange that both sons managed to be in England to attend the funeral but were not listed in the census a couple of weeks earlier - it's not as if they could have just flown back in a matter of hours as soon as they heard the news. The report wouldn't say that people were at the funeral if they weren't, would it ?
Rupert had another strange event in his life. In 1897 he was reported as 'missing' in the New South Wales Police Gazette - last seen on Botany Pier. This was only a few months after the death of his daughter at the age of eight. However, he must have been found.
I have ordered Ann Elizabeth's will, and will let you know the contents when it arrives in about a week.
Lynda
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Hello again ,
These days I live in Sydney ( Australian Resident / British Citizen )so I may be able to assist with the locality , in 1890 the main Abattoir was at Glebe ( located approx 2 miles SW of the famous Sydney Harbour Bridge built 40 years later ) . In those days this would have been the main resource for Tanning products but being by the docks , Tanneries could be found up river West to Parramatta and beyond .
I have included a few Sydney pictures of the period for your interest .
Fitz John Hall
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Thank you for the pictures. They were living in Alexandria in 1896, which doesn't seem to be far from Glebe. The street was Jessen Street but that doesn't appear on Google maps so perhaps it doesn't exist now. Later I think they moved to the Mascot area. Rupert's son Edward seems to have been something of a champion golfer and is mentioned many times in newspapers in connection with the Bonnie Doon golf club.
Lynda
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I now have Ann Elizabeth Jarman's will - a very long affair with countless individual legacies and several changes of mind in the codicils. The main heir seems to be Rosa Julia Claget, her niece, who was to have inherited absolutely but had this changed when she married Thomas Chalk to income for life from a trust. A codicil making this change says that, if Rosa Julia were not to have children the trust would go at her death to any of Ann Elizabeth Jarman's next of kin living at the time of her (Miss Jarmans) death. This, I thought, accounted for the search for her next of kin in the 1930s. However, later in the same codicil she seems to change her mind and direct that it should go to John Fitz Hall, her fathers natural son (£200), his wife (£200), his two daughters (£100 each), Walter Cooper (£200), Emily Cooper (£100) and the balance to the children of Major Arthur Chapman by his wife Frances. Provisions to the Fitz Hall family in the original will are ... £700 to John Fitz Hall of Tempe? Cooks River, Sydney; and £100 to Miss Jarmans goddaughter Ann Fitz Hall spinster, daughter of said John Fitz Hall.
I dont have access to a scanner just at the moment but I have semi transcribed the will for my own use (partially transcribed and partially summarised where I didn't think I needed all the legal jargon). Not sure what is best to do with it. Should I (can I ?)attach it here or send it by pm to any of you who are interested ?
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Hi Lyn
You can post anything you have transcribed yourself if you wish.
Or send by PM if that's easier.
:)
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Hello Lynda ,
It's most interesting to see how the pieces are falling into place within the Will ; the trust was common knowledge in our family as my father can remember his mum ; Annie Hall discussing the trust in the early 1940's .
Also , entries within John Fitz John Hall's diary ; indicate a close bond between his older sister Ann , whereby he sees her as the closest to a Mother he had ever experienced in life , this accounts for Ann Jarman's Will.
As offered , I would like to see what was transcribed in your productive research , that would be much appreciated thanks .
Fitz John Hall
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Hi, Lynda - and thank you very much for posting these fascinating details. I'm really interested to see how she changes her mind regarding the legacies.
She was a very wealthy woman and, even after her charitable distributions, Major Chapman's children should have been 'much advantaged'!
I gather from what you've written that these were the people who were the subject of the executors' search?
Would love to hear any more details.
Could I ask how and where you obtained the will?
Thanks again.
MegM
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I find I can't attach a Word document here and I am suddenly having trouble with my usual email account so I can't send my summary of the will by pm either. I will sort something out soon, because I would like to know if anyone has any background information about all the people in it.
If you search the London Gazette for a mention of Jarman or Beadel in 1993, you'll see that they were actually looking for all persons claiming to be next of kin of AEJ alive at her death, but only in connection with a £1000 trust. Rosa Julia Claget received £1000 at the beginning of the original will,
separately from the residual estate - and that £1000 was adjusted to income only after her marriage, just like the rest of the estate. There seem to be two references in the first codicil to what should happen to all this - firstly to all of the next of kin (and they are all listed in the London Gazette) but later to the specific named people that I listed above. The London Gazette is also looking for anybody claiming the two legacies of £100 each to Fitz John Hall's daughters. The children of Major Chapman would have been nieces and nephews of Rosa Julia Claget - children of her sister.
Ann Elizabeth Jarman sounds like a kind person in her will. I think she was probably quite close to the Beadel children as well, after they lost their mother. In 1871, nine-year-old Rupert was at her house for the census. But non family members did seem to come in and out of the will at quite a rate in the latter stages. I found it quite amusing that she switched £1000 from St Josephs Church to St Johns Chapel and tehn withdrew it completely.
Regards Lynda
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Sorry - I meant 1933 - not 93!
Lynda
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I am researching early antique dealers of whom John Boykett Jarman (d. 1864) was one. Does anyone have any family records with either a picture of this particular member of the Jarman family or any records which he may possibly have kept by any chance relating to his business? I would be most interested if so.
For the record, he was one of the leading dealers in decorative art and also in illuminated missals in the first half of the nineteenth century, initially with a shop in the Strand and also a shop in New Bond Street. He had some pretty exclusive customers and also quite a reputation for faking!
Many thanks.