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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => US Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Diane101 on Sunday 27 November 05 04:51 GMT (UK)
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My grandfather's aunt, Julia Swallow, emigrated from Hertfordshire to New York in September 1913 aged 19, going to a W.A Swallow at 1274 Atlantic Avenue Brooklyn. We think this was her brother Walter (born 1881) who had gone to New York in 1907, and her brother Frank (born 1881) went in 1912. Although Julia visited family in Hertfordshire in 1952, no one that I know remembers if she was married, or what her married name was. I have tried writing to Swallows in Brooklyn now, but have had no replies. Does anyone have some skills in tracking family in New York and have the time and inclination to help find what happened to Julia and her brothers?
thank you so much
Diane Hatwell
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Diane, I have found Walter in the 1910 census, but it is virtually unreadable. Most of the information is from the census index---I was able to read the name of the wife, dau, and his occupation. In 1920 I have not been able to find any of your Swallows. But, in 1930, Frank and Walter are in Fairfield County, Connecticut. The transcriptions are below----Genealiza
1910 New York, Kings, Brooklyn, Ward 24
Series T 624 Roll 974 Page 86
Swallow, Walter, 29, male, white, England, taximan, private
family
Ellen A, wife
Katherine, dau
1930 CT, Fairfield, Greenwich Boro
Series T626 Roll 258 Page 18
Dwell #17 Family #40
Swallow, Walter, head, rents, $50, has a radio, male, white
49, marr, 27 yrs old at first marr, can read,
write, Eng, Eng, Eng, immig 1900, NA spks
Eng, chauffeur, taxi co, worker, worked yester-
day
Katherine, dau, female, white, 21, single, can
read, write, NY, Eng, Eng, spks Eng, nurse,
registered, worker, worked yesterday
Elinor, dau, female, 14, single, attends school,
can read, write, CT, Eng, Eng, spks Eng
Walter, son, male, white, 10, single, attends
school, can read, write, CT, Eng, Eng, spks Eng
1930 CT, Fairfield, Greenich
Series T626 Roll 257 Page 123
Dwell #799 Family #646
Swallow, Frank F, head, rents, $50, has a radio, lives on a
farm, male, white, 42, marr, 32 yrs old at first
marr, can read, write, Eng, Eng, Eng, immig
1911, AL, spks Eng, chauffeur, private family,
worker, worked yesterday
Mable F, wife, female, white, 38, marr, 28 yrs old
at first marr, can read, write, Eng, Eng, Eng,
Lillian, dau, female, white, 8, single, attends
school, can read, write, Ct., Eng, Eng
Frank F J, son, male, white, 2 5/12, single, Ct,
Eng, Eng
Frank is a chauffeur for a lawyer and is living on the lawyer's farm. The dwell # for the lawyer is the same, the family #differs by one.
There is also a listing for a Walter A Swallow who marries Feb 26, 1932, in Manhattan. That is the only information I have on this individual.
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thank you so much, that is a lot more than i could find. I am figuring my way around english sources a bit, but US sources are way beyond me. it sounds like they stayed in the same business, the 2 brothers.
thanks again
diane
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Diane, Julia Swallow was my cousin's grandmother (not related to me though). Since your original post is old, you may already have the info you need. If not, I'll be glad to tell you what I know.
Helen
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Dear Helen
sorry to be slow to reply, life has been a bit busy. But no, i havent heard anything except about Walter as you can see above, so would love to have any information that you have.
regards
Diane
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Hello Diane,
Never a problem in getting back to me whenever it's convenient for you.
I can’t reply to your PM because members must make at least three postings before being allowed to do so. I’ve been a long time lurker but only registered to reply to your post as I thought you might like to hear from someone who actually knew your Julia Swallow.
My cousin’s grandmother is definitely your great-great aunt!
I will post this and then post again in a while in order to have those three postings so that I can use PM to give you more information since the family isn’t into genealogy research and I wouldn’t want to offend anyone.
Helen
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Hello again Diane,
My cousin’s grandmother is the 9 year old Julia on the 1901 Census in Little Hadham.
She was born 25 November 1891 in Little Haddam and died 24 April 1988 in Brooklyn, Kings Co., New York.
She married Thomas Neary (b. 23 June 1888, County Mayo, Ireland; d. 13 July 1950, Brooklyn, Kings Co., NY) in 1916 in Brooklyn, Kings Co., NY. Sorry, I don’t have the exact date.
Assuming all is well with PM, I will continue there tomorrow.
Helen
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There is at least one tree online by a person named Smith that includes Walter Swallow... I have not explored it completely, but it does include his parents and wife Ellen.
In 1920, my provider indexes him as Walter Swaller in:
FAIRFIELD > GREENWICH; GREENWICH
Series: T625 Roll: 177 Page: 136
Has the 3 children found by Genealiza in 1930.
I presume that you are just as interested in info about Frank and Walter as about Julia. Since both Frank and Walter had male children, they might be easier to follow for current descendants.
Nick
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If you search for "Mabel Swallow" in quotation marks on Google News Archives (http://news.google.com/archivesearch), her obituary comes up.
A New York Times article from 8 May 1939 says Katherine Swallow, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Walter Swallow of Greenwich, married Elmer Meilinggaard on Thursday in Virginia. I found a death record for Katherine Swallow Meilinggaard on 5 Sep. 1969 in Germany. I think I may have found living descendant(s) of this branch, so I'll send the info via private message.
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I'm told the Swallows lived across the street from us when I was little. Elmer Meilinggaard was the tax collector in Greenwich and I think Shelly has sent you details on his family who are still alive.
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Diane, here’s an interesting - albeit sad - tidbit.
Even though the Swallows are not my family, I couldn’t help but look around for something other than censuses, etc.
In the Brooklyn Daily Eagle of Tuesday, 07 April 1914, page 18, is the following “Acknowledgment” .....
“SWALLOW - Mr. and Mrs. Walter Swallow of 1278 Atlantic av wish to thank their many friends for their kind sympathy shown to them in their recent bereavement of their little daughter.”
I haven’t found a death notice for her, but I checked the NYC Death Index online and saw this listing -
Swallow Marguerite E 1 y Apr 4 1914 Cert. No. 7341
Poor little girl, born and died between the 1910 Federal Census and the 1915 NY State Census and probably not known by all researchers. How nice that those who didn’t know she existed are remembering her now at this time of year.
Helen
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thank you all so much for all this information, especially Helen for that marriage and the children. I have lots of leads to follow up, excellent. My parents were just talking about Julia the other day, one of the last conversations she and my father had was regarding the suitability of Eisenhower for the presidency, they didnt see her after 1952. Howard Swallow, her nephew, was my grandfather, and I cant help but think that she named her eldest son after him. Howard was her oldest sister's illegitimate child, and was about 12 when Julia went to the U.S. She offered to take him with her, Walter and Frank were already settled there, but Jane (Howard's mother) wouldnt let him go. Thank you all so much, my parents will be thrilled to know that she married and had children -- they obviously never discussed so prosaic matters, politics being so much more riveting.
Diane
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Nick, how would I access that tree with Walter in it? Is it through rootschat? sorry to be thick. i did like the way you spelt his name "swaller", my mother tells the story of being chastised at school for pronouncing her name that way!
regards
Di
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http://swallow.brucesmith.info/FGN%20Pages/FGN%20s3369.html
Seems to be a quite extensive website on Swallow research.
Nick
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You’re welcome, Diane; glad I could help some.
Eisenhower and 1952 - wow, that IS a long time ago! “...they obviously never discussed so prosaic matters, politics being so much more riveting” LOL! Interesting story about Howard, and I bet you’re right that their first born was named after your grandfather. I wonder if my cousin’s family even knows about Mrs. N. offering to take him to the US with her. How could anyone not be into their family’s history; it’s SO interesting!
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Best Wishes for successful researching in 2011, Diane!
Helen
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thank you Nick, I will follow that up. And thank you Helen. I tried to send you a photo too, but could not make it work. I am not at home at the moment, but will use the personal message system to see if i can send it to you, and would love to see yours. I sent on the info to my mother and she was absolutely thrilled
regards
Diane