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Hi :)
On the trail of the family of Ludwig Oppenheimer who was a manufacturer of mosaic tiles and parquet flooring in Manchester.
In 1861 he may have been living at Crowcroft Cottage, Levenshulme
In 1871 he may have been living at 64 Mulberry st. Hulme
In 1881 he was married to Susan and was living at 102 Burlington St Chorlton on Medlock with his children:
Schuman OPPENHEIMER 12
Ludwig OPPENHEIMER 10
Albert OPPENHEIMER 7
Charles OPPENHEIMER 5
William OPPENHEIMER 3
Ludwig senior died in 1901 so I am not sure that he would have been on the census.
Many thanks in advance
Kirsten
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Hi Kristen!
1861
26 Warwick St Hulme
Ludwig Oppenheimer 31 Lodger Germany Timber Merchant Hulme
RG9/2899 Folio 38 Page 23
Annie :)
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:D Hey Annie,
ah this is lovely a familiar face!
thank you
Kirsten
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I don't know if it means anything - but he was with the Dracot(?) family!!
You probably have this already - but just in case!!
1901
Oppenheimer Ludwig Death record Age 71 March quarter
Chorlton Volume 8c Page 426
Annie :)
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Thanks!
Yes I found his death and his wife was Scottish I believe and her surname was Findlay (married in 1869) but I'm not sure who the family he was boarding with are. Does it say what the Head's occupation was?
Kirsten :)
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Hi
1871 Census Shows as Follows
58 Park Street Cholton on Medock Manchester Lancs
Ludwig Oppenheimer Head 41 parquet inspector? Germany
Susan Wife 26 Scotland
Lehimann? Son 2 Manchester
Lugwig Son 11m Manchester
Hope this helps
Regards
Iria
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Hi Iria,
It does help.
I've just been double checking what I had for his children and I don't believe there were any girl children so it should make it easy to find two of the sons on the return for 1901:
Ludwig Oppenheimer (jnr) b: 1870 in Chorlton m: 1897 to Jessie Northrop in Chorlton
Albert Oppenheimer b: 1873 in Chorlton m: 1899 to either Grace Newton or Mary Wright in Stockport
Charles Oppenheimer b: 1875 Chorlton m: 1903 to either Clara Cartali or Constance Taylor in Chorlton
William Renwick Oppenheimer b: 1877 m: 1904 to either Caroline Goodwin or Edith Lee in Bucklow
Obviously Charles and William won't be on the 1901 census, but it doesn't hurt to let you know. ;)
Many thanks
Kirsten
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1891 for 102 Burlington St Chorlton on Medlock
Ludwig 61
Susan 46
Lehimann 22
Ludwig 20
Albert 17
Charles 15
William R 15
Frank 3
All children b Manchester
2 servants also in household
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:D hey thanks Carole,
I didn't know about Frank!
brilliant work.
Kirsten
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Head of the household was a retired school teacher!!
I found this - looks like you're going into Ireland too!! - but just to look!!
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:bhSDOvgz8OUJ:www.foscc.com/downloads/other/Heritage%2520Impact%2520Study.pdf+oppenheimer+of+manchester+1860&hl=en&client=safari (http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:bhSDOvgz8OUJ:www.foscc.com/downloads/other/Heritage%2520Impact%2520Study.pdf+oppenheimer+of+manchester+1860&hl=en&client=safari)
Annie :)
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Albert married Grace
1901 35 Skerton Rd Stretford
Albert 27 b Manchester mosaic manufacturer
Grace 28 b Manchester
Else 4 months b Manchester
Mary Newton 55 wife's aunt b Stockport Brush manufacturer
Constance Newton 30 sister in law b Manchester Hospital nurse
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1901 4 Fulford St Stretford
Ludwig Oppenheimer 30 mosaic manufacturer
Jessie 26 b Manchester
Mary 1 b Stretford
Alice Scott 26 visitor school teacher b Manchester
Agnes Scott 18 visitor b Bolton
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Ludwig senior died before the 1901 census. Susan is living at 144 Withington Rd Withington with children Charles, William R and Frank. She is shown as living on own means
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Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1892
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
OPPENHEIMER Lehmann J NEWTON Edith Manchester, Rusholme, Holy Trinity Manchester 108/1/437
Can't find them on the 1901
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Oh that's lovely.
She was a new mother and had two family members there to help. Don't you just love that kind of detail!
The visitor who was a school teacher may have been a friend of his wife's as her father was:
Wiliam NORTHORPE of Cullingworth, York and a School Master
Thanks again. It just goes to show that the visitors can be just as interesting as the main members of the household.
We're getting there arent' we? ;)
Kirsten
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Thanks Carole,
Lovely to know her kids were still around after the father died.
Thanks again too Annie - I had no idea that his business was actually that interesting. He started as an importer of tiles and went on to manufacturing tiles and parquet flooring. I had assumed it was all rather domestic (I should have known better from the Sichel experience!)
Kirsten :-*
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Oh Carole!
Silly me I forgot all about "Lehmann" and you've found a marriage to another of the Newton sisters. So Albert married Grace Newton and Lehimann (my confusion caused by him being called Schuman on the 1881 census) married Edith Newton.
cheers
Kirsten
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Interesting!!
http://www.christorchaos.com/HumanRespectTrumpsGodandHisGlory.htm
::) ::) ::)
PS by the way I forgot to mention earlier on 1861 census Ludwig employed 11 men!
also interesting that his landlord was a School Master!!
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Yes,
I think there is a bit of an ongoing saga here. The story goes that his family back in Germany refused to continue contact with him because he became a Presbyterian to get married and they were Orthodox Jews.
Anyhow the schoolmaster may have been at a christian school because it seems to be an ongoing theme with him. The work in the churches is a classic example. He did a beautiful floor for the church in Cork, which now seems under threat of removal:
Irish Oppose Proposed Wreckovation in Co Cork
The move requires the removal of large portions of the mosaic floor laid by Ludwig Oppenheimer, of Manchester,
who worked on the Co Cork cathedral built between 1867 and 1919.
http://blog.slappy.org/index.php?cat=8
Kirsten
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Last thought for the day and no hurry on this one.
There is this:
Joseph Oppenheimer, merchant, has a business at 52 Brown Street & a
house at Crowcroft Cottage, Levenshulme in the early 1860's and later was
listed at York House in Oxford Street where Ludwig had also been.
I'm wondering if we can establish a connection between them on the 1841 or 1851 census.
Many thanks again for your time and energy.
Kirsten
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No Ludwig or Joseph Oppenheimer on the 1851 but parts of the census returns in the Manchester area were damaged by water during storage.
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Thank you for your expertise :-*
Kirsten
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Hi Kirsten,
My Gt Grand Niece was Clara Sopho Cartali, who I believe married Charles Oppenheimer in 1903.
I have been looking for Cartali for years. Clara father was my Gt. Gt. Grandfather.
Viv
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:)
Apologies for the delay. Lost all my archives on an un-backed-up laptop and then after re-entering everything on a brand spaking new desktop model lost it all again as the new one had some fatal flaw and had to be returned to the manufacturers.
So here I am pleased to see a lovely connection between our Artisan Oppenheimers and the Cartali family.
Please forgive the lack of any additional helpful information at this stage. I have kept a log of this thread and will get back to you with some more details once I have "refound" all my information about the Oppenheimers. Until then I will keep your details I received an email from an Academic researching the Oppenheimer family for a University project on their art and family history.
Kindest and best wishes
Kirsten
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:D
thanks for all the help
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Hi Kirsten
You are welcome to have a look at my tree. So you use Genes connected? you will find it on there,or even in Ancestry
Viv
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I have some information that might be of help. Ludwig Oppenheimer born c.1830 in Brunswick, Germany, was mosaic artist who lived in Manchester and married Susan McCulloch (nee Finlay). He founded the company Ludwig Oppenheimer Ltd. Their sons were Lehman (d. 8 November 1916), Ludwig jnr, Albert and Charles 1875-1961 who became a well known 'Scottish' artist who lived in Kirckudbright and married in 1903 to Contance Emily (nee Taylor). It appears that another relation was Frederick Oppenheimer 1893-1965,who changed his name to Eric Newton and was also a well known artist and art critic.
Informative websites are:
http://www.dia.ie/architects/view/4230
http://www.artistsfootsteps.co.uk/artists_a_z.asp?ID=107
http://www.dictionaryofarthistorians.org/newtone.htm
My interest is in Charles and his wife Constance and her family - any information would be gratefully received! :)