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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: WhittyAnge on Monday 21 November 05 11:23 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I am looking for information for 1891 census for Frederick Earnest Patterson b 1864 Middlesex - living 1881 Weddington Road London.
Also his brother Arthur Patterson b 1860 - living 1881 same address
Also I cannot find either of them on 1901 census - any help appreciated, but I know Fred had jewellers shop in London - Jolly Butchers Hill?
Thanks :) :)
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Angela.
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RG12/1079 Folio 46 Page 3
17 Hardy Ter?, Tottenham, Middlesex
William Pattison 66 Bethnal Green
Louisa 67 Hoxton?
Arthur 31 Jeweller St Thomas
Frederick 27 Jeweller St Thomas
Regards,
Catherine
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Hi Catherine,
Thanks very much for the info.
Do you know what St Thomas means after Fred and Arthur's names?
Would you have access to 1901 - as I cannot find either of them in 1901?
Thanks again :) :)
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Angela.
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I dont know a lot about London Geography but I would assume its the area of London they were born in - the parish of St Thomas's, London......
Will look for them on 1901 census
Regards
Catherine :)
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Well, heres the parents -
RG13/1250 Folio 155 page 38
67 Grove Park Road, Tottenham, Middlesex
William Pattison 76 Boot Maker Shoreditch
Louisa 76 Shoreditch
The sons are proving more difficult :-\
Regards,
Catherine
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Do you have this?
Marriage - Frederick Ernest Patterson September 1897 Bethnal Green Vol 1c Page 357
Brides - Mary Ann Hearn or Florence Maud Whitear
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Well this doesn't go with the marriage I found, but its the right Frederick......
1901 RG13/1256 Folio 121 Page 34
17 Hardy Terr, Wood Green, Middlesex
Frederick E Pattison 37 Jeweller Gold London Kings Cross
Frances J 35 London Kings Cross
Emma Tunbridge? 20 Domestic Servant Suffolk Bury St Edmonds
Archie Kingstone 19 Watchmaker Middlesex Wood Green
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and heres the right marriage -
Frederick Ernest Pattison June 1899 Edmonton Vol 3a Page 761
Bride - Frances Julia Vandean/Vandeau
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Hi Catherine,
Thanks very much indeed for all the info - very useful - fills in a few blank spaces in the family history!!
Yes, I too got confused with marriages when looked it up on BMD!!
For some reason too he changed spelling of Patterson to Pattison (as I know it know).
Any clues as to Arthur his brother in 1901?
Thanks again :) :) :) :)
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Angela.
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Sorry, had no luck with Arthur so far :-\
Will keep looking, unless someone beats me to it.....
Catherine :)
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Hi Angela, I've just been researching your Frederick because I'm trying to find out whether he might have employed my 2x great grandfather Charles Newton as a jeweller's assistant between 1895 and 1911. Fred and Arthur were trading as a partnership at 17 Hardy Terrace up until September 1897, but I can't find any mention of either of them before that (might try searching with the Patterson spelling). The last time I can find an advert for the business is in 1903 when Fred is at 208 High Road. Does your family have any records relating to staff they employed, or the history of the shop, do you know? I can find Fred at his home address, 4 Derwent Rd, Palmers Green in 1911, but nothing more about the shop.
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Hello - thanks for your interesting message. Have a photo of the shop 208 but says Pattison - sometime they changed from Patterson to Pattison!!!!! Sorry don't have any records relating to the shop or staff. Yes they did live at Derwent Road in London till moving down to Somerset about 1920. Don't know anything about Fred's brother Arthur - interesting to hear they worked together. Sadly Fred's sons have died so no one knows any more about it and have no paper work regarding the business only the photo of the shop 208. What do you know about 17 Hardy Terrace please. Thanks
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Hi Angela. I wasn't sure if I'd get a response to my post as it's been so long since this thread was posted to, so it's lovely to hear from you! You seem to have the same problem I do, with all the family members that might have known something being long gone. The Patterson/Pattison thing does make things complicated for you research-wise. It's wonderful that the photo of the shop has survived, though. I'm afraid I don't know very much at all about Hardy Terrace, except that it was also their family home (parents were still there in an earlier census), though I did manage to find and "screenshot" some newspaper adverts relating to the business. Would they be of any use to you? If so, message me, and I'll root through my notes to see if I can help you with anything else that might be of interest. I think I jotted down the details of the dissolving of the partnership between Arthur and Fred, from the London Gazette.