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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wexford => Topic started by: james_edge on Saturday 19 November 05 14:55 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
My ancestors came from Gorey in Wexford. I wish to find the parents of Andrew Kinsella (Born 1887). Andrew had three siblings, John, James and Kate. Kate married Jim Byrne and had five children - Maggie, Kathy, Julia, Anne, Jim and Jack. John and James Kinsella had no children and lived in Hollyfort. Andrew married Elizabeth Cullen. They had eight children together - (*). I am a descendant of Mary Kinsella through her daughter Rosie McNeela.
Elizabeth Cullen had three sisters - Kit, Jane and Mag. Mag married a Connors and Kit married a Breen.
Does anybody know any of these names?
James
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Hi there,
Saw your post and my brain started ticking. My mother is from Gorey and I'm sure her father Tommy Nolan was connected to the Kinsellas. Nancy and John lived opposite side of road from my Gfather and Grandmother, I'm sure (*) is still alive and living in (*) see previous message.
I shall have to ring my mother for some info. Let me know if you are still interested and I'll see if my info is connected...........Good Luck!!
Julie.
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Hi Julie,
Sorry for not replying sooner. I have quite a bit of information on the family but I'm trying to find any other Kinsella or Cullen relations, namely any parents of Andrew Kinsella or Elizabeth Cullen. My grandmother goes to see (*) living quite a few times a year, although she lives in England. She said she does know Tommy Nolan, apparently he lived at the end next to the field in Gorey. She does not know of any connection between the Nolans & Kinsellas.
Apparently, Tommy Nolan's only son was born on the same day as Betty Bage (nee Kinsella) and John died some years ago. I know several people over in Gorey. Unfortunately out of the eight children Andrew and Elizabeth had, only one survives and her memory isn't that great. She can't remember any grandparents.
James
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Hi again James,
Thanks for your reply. I will be speaking to my mum later so I will try and find out if she can recall anything about the Kinsella/Cullens. As for the Nolan link, I found out that my Grandfather, Tommy Nolan, was Betty's Godfather so no direct relation. I think I also mentioned about John in my first reply to you when I meant to put Joe. All this info has me confused. lol.
My mum said she new Rosie McNeela very well so she may be able to remember something. Also do you have info on the Connors? If not we can fill you in as best we can.
I'll get back to you as soon as I can.
Good Luck
Regards
Julie.
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Hi Julie,
Sorry for the late reply, I'm terrible at keeping track of my e-mails. I don't have any info on the Connors. I know Mag Cullen married a Martin? Connors and had about five children. I also know that her sister Kit married a Breen and had several children but I don't know their names. If you're still available for help, I'd be grateful. If not, don't worry.
Once again, sorry for the late reply.
James
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Hiya James,
No need to apologise, I know what its like. I always start something new and forget what I was doing first. LoL.
I've spoken to Mum again and I have the following:
(*) living
Just to let you know that McCurtain Street used to be called William St.
Mum has to have a think about Kit Breen, she knows they lived in Church Street, Gorey. The family where also known as the Church Street Pluckers as they used to keep poultry.
Mum remembers Jane Cullen (known as Aunty Jane to all the kids) who was unmarried and lived in the house that Martin and Marya moved into at No. 28.
You know it's funny how things turn out. When i was a kid I used to spend all my Summer Hols in Gorey and used to hang around with (*)
I hope this helps you James. My mum said she will try and think hard for anything more.
Let me know how you get on ok.
It's been a pleasure to help you ok so no more apologising!! ::)
Julie ;D
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Hi Julie,
Thanks for all the information. From reading the information, she thinks that J.O. moved to London. She also thinks that she went to school with one of his children, Gerald. She's sure that Gerald had a brother named Maurice as well.
My grandmother told me there was something strange with the names of one of the wives she just couldn't remember what it was. Is the name Marya pronounced Mariah?
My grandmother also tells me that Kit Breen had about three children but doesn't know what their names are.
Tell your mum thanks for the info. It all helps. I never knew I had so many relations.
Thanks,
James
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benjamine breen, of the breen family, poultry butter and egg dealers,married catherine cullen, william st., gorey in st. michaels church, gorey, on 05 feb. 1919- witnesses andrew kinsella and bridget connors, rev. t.cleary, c.c officiated. They had at least 3 children. Jim (james) nancy- mrs hughes- and dora- mrs redmond .
Breens fowl house is currently under reconstruction. The premises will shortly become a medical centre, operated by O'Doherty family. perhaps they will name a "wing" after the pluckers. hope this helps.
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Hi Julie,
Thanks for all the info. Where did you get it. My great grandmother was born in McCurtain street in Number 28. Her name was Mary Kinsella and her father was Andrew Kinsella who was a witness at the marriage. I'm having trouble with my computer at the moment so I'll send you this in parts. Whereabouts do you live. We live in the Harrow Weald/Pinner area of London about 6 miles from Wembley.
James
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Hi,
I have been on holiday in Gorey many times during the past four or five years staying in my grandparents bunglalow about 7 miles from Gorey near Craanford. They recently sold it to Joe Kinsella, my grandmothers cousin. His sister Betty runs a B&B at the top of the town near the monument on the Craanford Road. My grandmother thinks she remembers your grandparents Sheila and Tommy Nolan. There were a few things I was going to mention but I can't remember them. When I do I shall let you know.
James
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Hiya James,
Sorry it's taken so long to reply, pc is playing up big time.
I used to spend school summer holidays at my grandparents house in Gorey, also stayed at Bettys b&b whilst on my honeymoon, I absolutely love the place.
Marya is pronounced Mariah, my mum still has contact with her, she sends my mum the local Gorey Guardian newspaper http://www.unison.ie/ (this is link for it, you will need to register but it is free).
I live not far from Harrow, in Hayes, small world isn't it!
Anyway great to hear from you again, keep in touch.
Regards Julie
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Hi Julie,
Betty was over at the weekend for my gradmother's 70th birthday party. It was a surprise because they're very close and we thought it'd be great if we flew her over. Her daughter Samantha came with her. Betty's b&b is great isn't it. I check the Gorey Guardian website every now and again as well. Where did you get the information about the Cullen-Breen marriage? Great weather isn't it. Anyway, thanks for the reply, take care.
James
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Hiya James,
My mother is my main source of information, as well as the odd bit i picked up from been in gorey as a child..
I remember Samantha, i think she is a year or so older than me, from playing in the back lane of McCurtain Street and playing down McRedmonds field and the bogwell, isnt there another younger sister, I forget her name now.........Selina I think.
Oh the memories! God I feel really old now.................Hope your Grandmother had a terrific birthday. Ask her if she knows anything about my grandads (tommy nolan) past family as i have hit a dead end, he was from Ferns originly i think.
Anyway chat again soon
Julie.
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James, I read with interest your post re kinsella's, as a child i knew Andrews elder brother john, he was known as jack. As a child jack had come to work on my great Aunts farm as his parents had both died. he was to stay for the rest of his life, working for my grandparents when they inherited the farm. All my family have very fond memories of Jack. If it would be of help I can ask if my mother or her family can provide/ remember details of Jacks parents. I can't remember the detail that was placed on Jacks gravestone as its many years since i have been to visit his grave. If you feel I can help in some way please feel free to ask. regards Roy
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James - - I just read your recent posting . . . "KINSELLs & CULLENs from Gorey, Wexford". We are chasing common surnames! Don't know if there are any connections.
You may want to read my posting [submitted tonight, 8 June] . . "REDMOND & CULLEN - Emigrated to Richmond, VA, USA ~1850". My lines from Ireland include Redmond, Cullen, Nowlan, & possibly Gilbert; plus of interest, Ryall.
An older Redmond son, Thomas, in early 1850s married Julia [m-n-u], & they were recorded in the 1860 census records for Richmond, Henrico Co, VA, USA, with kids. Thomas died before 1870, results of wounds suffered in Civil War battles. Widow Julia (43)- a grocer, was listed in the 1870 census for the Richmond, VA area, with son Edward (17), a stone mason, & dau.s Mary (14), Susan (9), & Maggie (5)...probably Margaret. Interestly, another person listed in Julia's household was Mary KINSELLA (16) - born on VA abt 1854. No relationship to the head of household was recorded....she might have been a boarder, a neighbor, a domestic/servant, of maybe a relative [family member] of Julia's. Hmm!
I do not yet know from where my Irish ancestors came, nor when. In time, I might find information, which might be of interest for both of us. I'll file your posting info for later reference. Regards, Bob Edmondson
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stumbled across this thread by accident....
I too have a Kinsella in my tree. Mary Kinsella was the mother of my great grandmother Mary Clancy. Mary Clancy married John Noctor around 1896 and they had 11 children of which the youngest was my grandfather Bernard Noctor born Gorey 1912.
My mother (his daughter) seems to remember being told that one of the female Kinsella's was a well known artist/painter. Can you confirm this tale?
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KINSELLA..BRIEN.. BYRNE..
some thought on the Brien being O'Brien.
Enniscorthy Wexford
Hi Rootschat. I am researching Bridget Williams (nee Brien) Bridget was the daughter of James Brien and Catherine Kinsella. residence Killena born 18thJune 1885 Killena. registered in the district of Killenagh and Wells.
Bridget married William Williams in England 1912.and reared her family there. I know that she had a sibling Mary, and I believe that there were other siblings but I have no names. I am having a lot of difficulty with this branch of our family I would like to locate other kin. Thankyou in anticipation Joyce.
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I have a slew of Kinsellas (Kinsley/Kingsley), Cullens, O'Neills and Murphys who emigrated to the same area of the US together in the late 1830's/early 1840's. They settled in a small rural area of northeastern Pennsylvania, which came to be known as the Irish Settlement. These families are heavily intermarried, both in Wexford and in the US.
The furthest back for Kinsella I have is James Kinsella (born around 1754) who married Mary Sinnott. They had eight known children - Michael, John, James, Mary, William, Catherine, David and Ellen.
The furthest for the Cullen line is Michael Cullen 1797-1840, who married Elizabeth Murphy. Their known children are Mary, Thomas, David, Elizabeth, Patrick and Joseph.
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Hi James and babybels,
I stumbled across this site by accident and wanted to let you both know that I am the great grandson of Mag and Jim Connors.(Gorey, Wexford) My Mother is Peggy. my gran was biddy(Bridget) who sadly is no longer with us, she died age 87, in 2005, nor are any of her siblings, Nan, Martin, Jim(J.O.)
Also, your mother is correct about peggy having a daughter named Siobhan(my sister, and 3 boys, Antony, Mark(me), and Sean (I hope this is useful to you both and from this I too can learn more about my heritage from wexford.
Good luck to you both
Mark walsh
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Hi Babybels,
would you or your mum know the name of the man who married biddy connors(my gran). i am led to believe that he was an O'connor and that he died when my mum was about 4 or 5.
other than this info this has always been a mystery to me and my siblings. It was always a sensitive matter and Biddy never discussed it.
Also would be great if could find out about the Cullen(Mag) side of the Family
yours and good luck
Mark Walsh
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Hi All,
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Bob
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Hi
The Byrnes of Hollyfort had 6 children Mary (Molly)as well as the 5 you mentioned. Jim (ginger) Jack Molly are deceased ** & ** still live in locality ** lives in Waterford
If you need anyinformation please contact me
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My grandmother lived in 29 McCurtain Street and her baptismal cert shows a John Kinsella as her sponser! Her husband died in 1945 - James Breen but I cant find any info on him??
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Brian J Cantwell's Memorials of the Dead;
Gorey cemetery;
erected by Michael Kinsella (Ballyloughlin & Gorey) in memory of children
Andrew; 28/2/1872 (17) intered in castletown
Michael; 24/2/? (2)
Anastacia;; 17/5/1873 (11)
Catherine; 1/2/1880 (27) intered in Castletown
above Michael; 16/1/1902 (83)
Alexander Kinsella (g-son); 10/12/1933 (25)
Alexander (son); 13/12/1937 (77)
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erected by Thomas Kilsella in memory of
Michael (son); 11/5/1844 (21)
Mary; mother; 15/11/1831 (84)
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1881;
Kinsella Thomas; 40, head, Iron moulder, Liverpool
Kinsella Thomas; 29, boarder, Rock miner, Lancs
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1891;
Kinsella Thomas; 52, head, Core maker, Lancs
Kinsella Catharine; 46, wife, Lancs
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Kinsella Thos; 21, head, Sugar refiner, Lancs
Kinsella Morris; 20, brother, Gen Labourer, Lancs
Kinsella Elizth; 15, sister, Confectioner, Lancs.
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Kinsella Thos; 27,head, Mariner, Lancs Kirkdale
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Kinsella James; 42, head, Foreman Sugar factory, Lancs Kirkdale
Kinsella Ellen; 40, wife, Lancs Kirkdale.
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Kinsella Maria; 51, head, Hotel keeper licensed, Cumberland
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1901;
Kinsella Thos; 49, boarder, Electric engineer, single, Liverpool
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Kinsella Ann; 30, Inmate, farm girl, Ford Orrell & Ford, Lancs
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Kinsella Elizabeth; 23, servant, waitress, single, Lancs
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Kinsella James; 13, son, Kent
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Kinsella Dennis; 29, head, married, Coast guard boatman, Dorset
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Kinsella William; 49, head, Railway signalman, married, Glamorgan
Kinsella Mary; 47, wife.
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Kinsella Thomas; 50 head, Packer Railway man, married, Glamorgan
kinsella Johanna; 45, wife.
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Kinsella Thomas; 24, boarder, Coal lab underground, Glamorgan
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Kinsella Laurence; 50, head, Paintsman in Tin factory, married, Swansea
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Kinsella Joseph; (New Ross) 32, boarder, Railway porter, East Manchester.
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Jack
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Hi,
How are you? My name is Graham Connors and I am from Gorey in Co. Wexford, from McCurtain St. From looking at previous posts I notice that you have mentioned both my grandparents, Martin and Maria Connors (it was spelled Maria but pronounced Mariah). Unfortunately both my grandparents have passed away, as has Tommy and Sheila Nolan - of whom I have many fond memories from when I was a child. I am also related to the Cullen's of Gorey through my grandfather so I am guessing that I will be able to answer some of your questions.
If I can be of any help to you in tracking down relatives please dont hesitate to contact me here on this site.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Graham Connors