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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Essex Lookup Requests => Essex => England => Essex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: jolou27 on Sunday 13 November 05 16:13 GMT (UK)
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I am researching the Livermore's who as far as I can see originated from Felstead/Felsted, Essex. Am keen to learn about any Livermore's or generally anything about Felsted as there's not a lot that can be gleamed from books and the net - unless anyone has links to information.
I have only just started researching this part of my family history and so don't have a lot, hence any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
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Hi Jolou,
Welcome to rootschat :)
What century are you looking at? Any names to go on? Did you find them on the 1881 census free to search?
Do you have some specific names for people you would like us to try and trace?
Tanja :)
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Hi Jolou,
Just to get you started here are all the Livermores I could find in the 1841 cesus in Felsted.
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Cock Green: Ezekial Livermore 40 ag lab, Elizabeth 35, William 11, Arthur 7, Sarah 4, Harriett 2
Cock Green : Shadrack Livermore 70 ag lab, Elizabeth 65
Milk Hill: Michael Livermore 65 ag lab, Elizabeth 55, Isaac 22.Sarah 15
Molehill Green: Elizabeth Livermore 68 poor widow
Molehill Green: Joseph Livermore 30 ag lab, Ann 25, Harriett 11, Hannah 7, Mary 5, Aaron 3
Molehill green: Joseph Livermore 30 ag lab, Eliza 30, Eliza 5, Moses 3, William 6
Molehill green: Samuel Livermore 25 ag lab, Sarah 25, James 8, Edmund 5, William 3, Susannah 4 months, Edward 65 ag lab,
Common: Michael Livermore 30 ag lab, Mary 30
Common: Robert Livermore 40 ag lab, Mary 40, Martin 9, Mary 2
Common: James Livermore 55 ag lab
Green Courts Gate: Thomas Livermore 45 ag lab, Jane 30, Phoebe 7
Burlingstye Green: William Livermore 40 ag lab, Sarah 36, Sarah 17, William 12
Burlingstye green: Daniel Livermore 38 ag lab, Ann 39, George 15, Emma 13, Henry 10, Ezekial 8, Elizabeth 5, Susan 3, John 10 months
Whelpstones: Martha Livermore 65 poor widow
Grand Courts: James Livermore 20 m s
Good luck
Bob
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Thanks for that information - it was very helpful!
I think the second Joseph Livermore living in Molehill Green with his wife Eliza must be related. The 5 year old little girl Eliza must be great great grandmother as the birth year would be approximately the same and i knew her father was joseph and her mother eliza also. That family later went on to have another child called joseph livermore who was roughly 18 years younger than eliza, his sister. I didn't know she had other siblings as i had not got that information yet. I have some information on Moses Livermore, so I can put them all in my tree now perhaps!
Thanks once again, the kindness of strangers is truly remarkable
Jo
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That family later went on to have another child called joseph livermore who was roughly 18 years younger than eliza, his sister.
Then this would fit for the family in 1861:
1861 Felsted RG9 1116 78 p30
Molehill Green
Joseph Livermore, head, mar, 53, Ag Lab, b. Felsted
Eliza Livermore, wife, mar, 52, b. Fairstead, Essex
Daniel Livermore, son, unm, 18, Ag Lab, b. Felsted
Joseph Livermore, son, 11, b. Felsted
Sarah Livermore, dau, 7, b. Felsted
Felsted is Dunmow district. 1851 Census is missing.
1861 Felsted RG9 1116 69 p12
Willers (Willow?) Green
Moses Livermore, head, mar, 23, Ag Lab, b. Felsted
Eliza Livermore, wife, mar, 22, b. Rayne, Essex
William Livermore, son, 3, b. Felsted
Emily Livermore, dau, 2, b. Felsted
Peter Livermore, son, 5 mo, b. Felsted
Regards CP
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Thanks so much for your help.
Is there anyway of finding out where the sister Eliza was on the 1861 census. As far as I know she had her first child William in 1863/4 - he was named Livermore as were all his siblings born later - they seem to have taken their mother's name i.e. they were illigetimate i presume. I have not managed to find out who any of Eliza's children's fathers were - were they the same unavailable man or more than one man. All I do know is that on her son, Arthur William Livermore's marriage certificate in 1911 his father's name and occupation were stroked through and no information entered.
I can't think of any way of finding out who their father was.
Jo
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Hi Jo,
I think this could be her:
RG9/1115 114 19
Braintree, Essex
London Road
Eliza Livermore, serv, unm, 24, General servant domestic, b. Felsted Head of household is a Phebe Goose, 74, Funded Proprietor
Tanja :)
PS In 1871, she's with her mother and her 2 children William age 7 and Kate age 1 in Felstead
Do you already have it?
RG10/1703 72 16
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Yes I do already have the image for 1871, thanks for asking though.
Living in the area myself, I think that London Road is the main road which goes between Braintree and Gt Leighs/Felsted area. Will have a look and check - does anyone know any good places on the net to obtain old maps of the UK
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I think I have seen several postings about a site called - guess what ;D - old maps http://www.old-maps.co.uk/
Tanja :)
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Hi,
Saw your posting and thought I'd add a few thoughts as I live in Felsted. Felsted village centre is surrounded by lots of greens.
Molehill green is still molehill Green.
Willers Green is Williows Green.
Burlingstye Green, could be Bannister Green, or Burnstye Green
Cock Green is still Cock Green and close to Bannister Green
Grand Courts is a large House towards Rayne.
I have a few old images of felsted, although Google image search throws up most of them if you search on "Felsted". The Church has website www.felstedchurch.org , the church site currently has a village profile as we have been advertsiing for a new Vicar. The profile includes some nice photos. There is also a village website www.felstedplus.co.uk which has some local history and a nice gallery.
Hope this helps
RobertS
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Just checked www.genesconnected.co.uk and there are three people listing a total of 28 Livermore family members born in Felsted.
Worth making a connection if you haven't already.
RobertS
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I live in Great Yeldham - but don't know the Felsted area a great deal. A friend told me that there was a molehill green nearer stansted somewhere - are there two molehill greens then?
thanks for your help btw!
Jo
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Hi,
Molehill green, Felsted is just east of Bannister Green, and south east of Frenches Green, and just west of Willows Green. It only comprises a few houses, and a farm. A very pretty corner of the parish.
Reagrds
RobertS
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Hello
I've just discovered this site, and looking through came across this thread, jolou25, i am a direct descendant of the other Joseph Livermore through his son Aaron, little bit of information i have they must have been friends, as according to Felstead marriages 1813-1837 they both married on the same day, Dec 4th 1829, my Joseph to Ann Crow and the other Joseph to Eliza Wakefield, also the same time Aaron was born, Joseph and Eliza had a son Moses, so either they were both deeply religious or they had a great sense of humour, don't know anymore about either of them, such as parents or anything, but it's nice to know that our ancestors probably grew up together, small world eh!
Take Care.
Mal
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Hi Jolou
Just thought I'd add a bit more to your tree, one of my Gt Aunts married Peter Livermore, 3 months on the 1861 census. Mary Ann Hockley b. abt 1861 in Braintree.
Hope this is of some help.
Willsher
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Livermore of Great Waltham very near Felsted,Essex
Marriages Great Waltham Jan 1704 - Dec 1755
Robert Livermore Married Mary King 3/12/1723
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Burials Jan 1704 - June 1774
Sarah d.of Sarah & Robert Livermore 5/7/1708
The Widow Livermore 19/7/1713
Mary Livermore 21/4/1720
Sarah wife of Robert Livermore 26/5/1723
Mary wife of Robert Livermore 23/4/1728
Shadrach Livermore 19/9/1731
Mary Livermore 23/8/1732
Christenings/Baptisms
June 1703 - May 1780
Abednego s.of Shadrack & Mary Livermore 10/2/1704
Sarah d.of Sarah & Robert Livermore 6/12/1707
Sarah d.of Robert & Sarah Livermore 19/8/1711
Elizabeth d.of Robert & Sarah Livermore 11/1/1714
Thomas s.of Robert & Sarah Livermore 11/8/1717
Lyddas d.of Robert & Sarah Livermore 5/6/1720
regards
Kath x
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Hi jolou25
What a coincidence as my great, great, great gran was Elizabeth Jane Livermore born in Felstead in 1843/1844 and married George Clift in 1868. She was the daughter of Samuel Livermore and Sarah. Samuel was born in around 1810 and died in 1882. His father I believe may have been Edward Livermore as there was one living with Samuel's family in 1841. In 1881, Samuel was in the Dunmow Workhouse.
Unfortunately the 1851 census for Felstead is missing as it says on Ancestry.com which villages around the country are missing.
Ben