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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Norfolk => England => Norfolk Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Christy on Sunday 13 November 05 09:47 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
Could someone please look at the 1851 Census for a John Parnell born abt 1795 with daughter Caroline born about 1834. I need to know what John Parnell's occupation was. They are living at Norwich, St Martin at Oak. Ancestry will not load the page.
Thanking you
Christy
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Hi Christy John Parnell age 56 occupation Printer 101 whatever that means,address Oaks Street Osbornes Buildings. Hope that helps, Jabawak
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Hi Jabawak,
Thank you for the lookup. I hope that printer 101 means that he was a shawl printer.
I now need to find him with family on the 1841 Census to see if he had a daughter Charlotte born abt 1830. Then I will know for sure he is mine.
Christy
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Hi
Just out of interest i have a Parnell marr into my Cooke line.
Ann Parnell born St martin at Oak Oct 4th 1793
Any connection??
Regards Ray
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Hi Ray,
I know nothing about my Parnell line yet.
I have a Charlotte Parnell born abt 1830, marriage cert has John Parnell, shawl printer on it for her father.
I was interested in that particular entry on the census as my Charlotte Parnell married in Feb 1828 to Charles ENGLAND had three children Charles born before the marriage and Mary Ann born 1849 (my GG Grandmother who married George Beazley and came to New Zealand) and Caroline born 1852.
Have you ever looked at the 1841 Census in Norwich for Parnell. I will get some films in next year for the St Martin at Oak area and see what I can find.
Your Ann Parnell may be a sister of my John always worth keeping in mind.
Decided to have a look at familysearch before finishing this.
I wonder if the Jn born to Benjamin and Ann (nee Bear) Parnell on 18 Jan 1796 is mine. I take it that these are Ann's parents.
Have you ever found anything on any of the other children of Benjamin and Ann Parnell?
Let's keep in touch
Christy
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Hi Christy
I have most of the census for Norfolk,so did look thro the 1841 for Parnell St Martin at Oak.Several of my Cookes came from this area.Did not see a Parnell,but the census is differcult to read in places
Parnell:
Benjarman Parnell married Ann Bear(e) March 17th 1793 at St Saviour Church Norwich
Found so far two children:
Elizabeth Parnell born March 28th 1798 at St James Pockthorpe Norwich
Ann Parnell born born Oct 4th 1793 St Martin at Oak Norwich
Ann Parnell married my Joseph Cooke on the 14th Nov1813 St Martin at Oak,(this was Joseph 1st Marr )
I don;t think Ann parnell was a well woman because the banns were read April 5th,12th ,19th April 1812,but married 1813,this did cause a problem in finding the marr as its expected close to the last bann reading
I have found no children from the marriage of Ann & Joseph,
I live only a few mins from the Norwich RO so checking Parish records is not a problem
Regards Ray
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Hi Forgot to say
Ann Parnell who was living in St Martin at Oak died age 22 buried at St Augustines Norwich 14th April 1814.( a short marriage )
Regards Ray
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Hi Ray,
I found these children for Benjamin and Ann (nee BEAR) Parnell on the IGI using familysearch.org
Ann born 4 Oct 1793 christened 13 Oct 1793 Saint Martin at Oak Norwich
Jn born 18 Jan 1796 christened 24 Jan 1796 Saint James Pockthorpe, Norwich
Eliz born 28 Ma 1798 christened 1 Apr 1798 Saint James Pockthorpe, Norwich
William born 9 Sep 1801 christened 13 Sep 1801 Saint James Pockthorpe, Norwich
Mary christened 24 Jan 1804 Saint Paul Norwich
My next question would be have you ever found the deaths for Benjamin and Ann Parnell?
If you find my John Parnell on the 1841 Census. I would like to have the details.
Hopefully the one on the 1851 census found already is the right one. I am looking for a John Parnell with a daughter Charlotte born abt 1830 on the 1841 Census.
A few years ago I was in contact with a lady doing a one name study on Parnell her daughter was in a serious accident and she was never able to be contacted again.
I cannot remember her name. Will have to check my old emails and see if I kept the contact it would have been about 1998.
Is there anyway we can chat when we are both online?
Regards
Chrisy
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Hi Christy;
1851 not sure if you got the full details
John Parnell head Wid age 56 Printer 101 born Norfolk
Caroline daur U/m age 17 born Norfolk
address Oak Street Osbornes Buildings
Norwich St martin at oak.
HO/107/1812 F170 page 48
Living next door was a
Benjarmin Parnell age 31 Printer 101
Martha wife age 20
Ho/107/1812 F 170 page 48
also living at Oak street Osbornes Buildings
William Parnell head age 33 born Nch
Ann wife age 30 Printer 101
Caroline daur age 8
William age 9
Mary age 5
Jane age 3
Martha age 3
Nancy age 1
all born Norwich
HO/107/1812 F170 page 48
1851 census
Benjarmin Parnell head age77 Pauper late Weaver born Norwich
Elizabeth wife age 75 Pauper born Norwich
Angel Yard Norwich St martin at oak
HO/107/1812 F169 page 46
Hope you can tie them in
Have looked at 1861 census no sign of Benjarmin or Ann
Regards Ray
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Hi Ray,
Thank you for all the census information.
Nice surprise this morning for me. You said before that you had looked at the 1841 and not found any Parnell families living in the area.
Next year when our Family History is taking film orders again I think I will order in some census films for the 1841 census in Norwich and see what we can find.
Thanking you for the lovely information
Chris
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Hi Christy,
I have the name Parnell, from Norwich area in my tree. I wonder if they are related? Although I haven't come across your names as yet.
Some of my names are:
Edward bn 1826 M Sarah?
George bn 1844
Mary A bn 1853
Frederick bn 1854
Edward bn 1858
Emma bn 1860
Fingers crossed!
Sue
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Hi Sue,
I know, no more about my Parnell line than I have put on in here. When I find something. I will put it on in here.
You never know we may be doing the same family
Christy
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Hi Christy,
I will keep track of this thread then!!... :D
At the moment I can only go back as far as Edward Parnell bn. 1826 at Taverham Norfolk. (1851 census) married to Sarah Ann (dont know maiden name). They probably married c1843 as they had a child, George, bn 1844. It seems that Sarah Ann may have died and Edward remarried to another Sarah! Its been very confusing!
In later generations the family moved into Norwich.
Regards,
Sue
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1841
HO 107/789/9 - Norwich St. Martin at Oak
Sch. 9, Pages 10 and 11
Little Crown Yard
PARNELL
John - 45 - silk weaver
Mary - 42
William - 22 - s w
Benjamin - 20 - s w
Mary - 17
John - 15
Charlotte - 10
Caroline - 6
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Hi Sue
Thank you so much for that. I am now sure he is my John Parnell.
Thank you.
If you have any New Zealand lookups you would like done please let me know.
Christy
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Hi
Just out of interest i have a Parnell marr into my Cooke line.
Ann Parnell born St martin at Oak Oct 4th 1793
Any connection??
Regards Ray
Re. Cooke line, of Norwich
Hello Ray, do you have a Charlotte Kezia Cooke in your line, married in Dec. qtr 1887 to a John Thomas Scott (bc 1860) with at least 2 sons: John Charles Scott and Allan (or Alan) Cooke Scott, of Thorpe St Matthew, Norwich (1891, 1901 censuses)? Both Charlotte and John born Norwich.
Thanks, Richard
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Hi Richard
sorry i don;t have a Charlotte K Cooke in my family tree
Regards Ray
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Hi all
I have been looking for a caroline parnell born in that area, born around 1834. I think she married \a robert brown in 1853 . I am hoping to prove that my robert brown married caroline parnell and not caroline read. This family moved to spotland in bacup in the 1870's but all their children seem to be born in the same area of norfolk, st martin at oak. The final child, jessie brown, was born in 1878. They married, i think, i hope, in 1853. But there is also a marriage of a robert brown to a caroline read at more or less the same time of year, so guess it could be this one too. Can anyone help?
frankieb
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Hi frankieb
Caroline Read married Robert Philip Browne Mar 1854 Blofield RD
There’s a death for Robert P Browne age 40 Mar 1866 Blofield RD
The 1881 census has a Caroline Brown, widow age 46 with her mother Harriet Read
RG11 1907 67 26
regards
yokel
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Hello,
I have been on to NORS which is the online website and look-up of the Norfolk Family History Society. Caroline Parnell married at St Martin at Oak on 14/11/1853 Robert Browne. Note the transcription has -e on the end. NORS does not give facsimiles so I cannot verify the spelling. The bride made her mark. she was a spinster, shoe binder aged 20 of Osborn buildings. Robert was a shoe maker of Oak St aged 21 and a bachelor; he also made his mark. The parents were John Parnell, a shawl printer. Robert Browne senior was a shoe maker. Witnesses: William Fitt, Rachel Fitt. Both made their marks.
I cannot find any reference to a Caroline Read between 1852 and 1854. In fact the only Caroline Read's marriege in Norwich is 25/12/1859 at St Etheldreda's, Norwich to Charles Hook. He was son of James Hook and she daughter of William Read, a deceased waterman.
Looking at baptisms, I have found the following when inputting "John Parnell" and event date-years of 1815 - 1840:
Mary, daughter of John Parnell, weaver and his wife Mary at St Martin at Oak, baptised 23/02/1823 and under 'notes' the date 03/02/1823 which I take to be the child's date of birth.
John, son of John Parnell, shawl printer and his wife Mary at St Martin at Oak, baptised 05/10/1817 and under 'notes' the date 28/09/1817.
Harriett, daughter of John Parnell, no trade supplied and his wife Elizabeth, maiden name Parnell, baptised at St Martin at Oak 19/09/1824, and under 'notes' the date 16/09/1824.
Joseph, son of John Parnell, shawl printer and his wife Mary, baptised at St Martin at Oak 29/07/1838, under 'notes' "bn 26/07/1838".
William, son of John Parnell, shawl printer and his wife Mary, maiden name Bridges, baptised at St Paul's, Norwich on 20/06/1819 and under 'notes' "born 18 June".
John, son of John Parnell, cordwainer and his wife Mary at St Julian's, Norwich, baptised 13/02/1820 and under 'notes' "b. Feb 4th"
John, son of John Parnell, weaver and his wife Mary (home parish: St Margaret's) at St Margaret's, Norwich baptised 01/05/1825 and under 'notes' "born March".
Benjamin, son of John Parnell, shawl printer and his wife Mary at St Bartholomew's, Heigham, baptised 27/05/1821; no date of birth given. [Heigham is a North-west Norwich suburb]
Now for marriages - only one between the dates searched:
John Parnell, shawl printer of St Benedicts, single and signed, married at St Benedict's, Norwich 25/05/1817 Mary Bridgets, single and made her mark. Witnesses: Benjamin Parnell (mark) and Abram Stannard (signed).
Seeing the witness Benjamin Parnell I did a look-up for a Benjamin Parnell from 1775 to 1830. there is a marriage between Joseph Parnell at St Martin at Oak to Frances Dawson 12/09/1806 (he a widower, she single and both made their mark) with witnesses Benjamin Parnell (mark) and Stephen Codman(signed).
This has been something to get you going. It has probably raised some questions for you. But a lot of my findings fit in with the 1841 census someone has sent you in a thread below. Note difference in Bridges and Bridgets for Mary Parnell's maiden name.
NFHS costs £10 a year and online access to NORS comes with it along with monthly newsletter-bulletin - should you think it worthwhile. But if not too onerous and I have the time I'll do another look-up for you.
Happy hunting - rihuggett.
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Hi
yes Robert Browne did have an e
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0tae/
yokel
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Hi, not much to add, but freereg, has Caroline, birth, 15/06/1833, bapt, 06/10/1844, with the details father is shawl printer, so that ties in. Family search, Norfolk P. R's gives Browne... with the E, Dave.
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:) Thanks everyone. So it looks like Caroline parnell may be the one. Just to be sure i will just get one of the childrens birth certificates. My robert brown(e) also definately had father robert. And the cordwainer connection could also be a clue. They also moved to rossendale which is or was the shoemaking area of the northwest. Rumour had it that these Parnell's , or maybe Brown(e) were of flemish gypsy extraction, but from this i see no sign. Mentioned is a connection also to gem(jem) mace, the boxer . But perhaps everyone wants to find that connection if they live around Norfolk?
I have robert and caroline definately living in bacup, spotland in 1881, so at least that rules out that Caroline Read.
thanks again.
frankie b