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Title: Carrickmore baptism look up please, Ellen White/ also Ellison Carrickmore
Post by: Carol Mack on Saturday 12 November 05 20:37 GMT (UK)
Wolud anyone be able to tell me if a Ellen White was baptised in Carrickmore around 1860? Her father would have been George White - I have no idea who her mother was. There might be a brother George. Ellen was my grandmother.

I have been previously looking for her in Drumragh but now have a good lead to Carrickmore.

Thanks, Carol.

I now know for certain that Ellen had a sister Mary Jane White who became Mrs. Ellison and that she lived in Carrickmore.
Perhaps its the Ellison connection that is in Carrickmore and the Whites come from somewhere else. There is also a Maggie Ellison mentioned - daughter?

Oh well, on with the searching!!!!!

Note: various topics looking for same person merged
Title: Ellen White/Ellison from Carrickmore
Post by: Carol Mack on Wednesday 15 November 06 23:25 GMT (UK)
I'm back again, still trying to find exactly where my Grandmother (Ellen White) came from!!! I have had various theories but have come back again to Carrickmore.

I visited the C.of I. there in July and lo and behold there is an Ellison grave there, George, Martha and their daughter Mary Jane. Now I know Mary Jane Ellison was my Grandmothers neice so Martha must have been my grandmother's sister. Does anyone know anything of this family?

My grandmother was Ellen White, father George White a farmer, and now I think she had a sister Martha. She was born about 1855-60.

The Ellisons seem to have been a prominent family in the area but very little on the Whites. Some of the books were missing so I couldn't look up all I wanted to.

If anyone can help I would be very grateful.

Regards, Carol.


Title: Re: Ellen White/Ellison from Carrickmore
Post by: GRANAGH on Friday 08 December 06 21:31 GMT (UK)
Hello Carol,
I have done some amateur research into the Ellisons of Tyrone as I'm an Ellison myself.  Perhaps the following may be of some use to you?
The ones you mention are not related to me, although both branches were Anglicans (C.o.I.)  The 1901 census records Martha and her husband George Ellison as living in Athenree townland, Termonmagurk Parish, but it says that both were born in Co. Donegal. 
The 1860 Householders List (Griffiths) records only one Ellison in Termonmagurk in 1860 and that was an Andrew Ellison of Bracky.  But I can assure you that he was a Presbyterian and was related to Ellisons living in the Sixmilecross area.
However all George and Martha's children were born in Tyrone and the census lists them as John, 19yrs; Mary Jane 17yrs; Thomas 15yrs; Maggie 13yrs; and Nellie 10yrs:

Happy hunting.

Brian Ellison
 
Title: Re: Ellen White/Ellison from Carrickmore
Post by: Carol Mack on Friday 08 December 06 22:58 GMT (UK)
Brian,
Many thanks for that -  its great to get this information! I knew about Mary Jane Ellison and I knew there was a Nellie somewhere in there as I found her and 'Mrs G White' (obviousaly Martha) signing the Covenant. The rest I didn't know about.

The Donegal connection is very interesting! On the 1901 census my grandmother says she was born in Donegal and as I suspect Martha Ellison was her sister that would make sense. But the family history centre in Donegal cannot find any Whites who fit the bill and the family always said 'granny was born in Carrickmore' So the mystery deepens!!

I think I need to look for Whites around the 1860's in the Carrickmore area and see if a George White had daughters Martha and Ellen.

All the best and thanks again,
Carol.


Title: Re: Ellen White/Ellison from Carrickmore
Post by: GRANAGH on Saturday 09 December 06 19:36 GMT (UK)
Hello again Carol,

You may be looking in the wrong place for 1860s Carrickmore Whites.

The 1901 Irish Census for Tyrone has been indexed on micofiche by a worthy researcher, and my quick search this morning indicates that there were only two Whites/Whytes in Termonmagurk in 1901.  One was a Sarah White, a 50 yr old widow living in Copney townland, who may or may not be one of your bunch.  However the other individual is, I'm sure, one of yours.  She was an Emilie A. White, a 38 yr old C.o.I. spinster living in Athenree townland, but the curious thing about her is that her place of birth is recorded as 'England'.

You may get a lead at 'findmypast.com', the England GRO website.

I'm not suggesting that the Whites were English, at least not 19th century English, but they may have left Ulster, spent a while in England and then returned.  However, Carrickmore may not be where they came from originally.  The 1860s Household List (Griffith's) records only one 'White' (Michael) living in Cooley, a townland some distance from Athenree/Carrickmore.

What I'm saying is - if your are looking for a George White then be prepared to cast your net a little further than just Termonmagurk.  Every Irish family had a faction who emigrated to other continents, but those that stayed weren't entirely sedentary.  In the space of 80 years my own Ellisons migrated from Sixmilecross, through Clogherny, Killeeshil and Carnteel Parishes, almost within a short walk of Co. Monaghan.


Brian
Title: Re: Ellen White/Ellison from Carrickmore
Post by: Carol Mack on Wednesday 13 December 06 22:01 GMT (UK)
Hello Brian,
I was delighted to hear from you again - you are the first person to come up with a White! Emilie is almost certainly Granny's sister! Do you have any idea who she was living with in 1901?

Your theory about England is almost certainly correct - we cannot find them in Donegal although there is a connection. Ellen was given a Bible (which I have) by a Mrs. Stewart of Killindarough in 1878. Now we have traced Killindarough to Donegal and the Heritage Centre found Mrs. Stewart, wife of a doctor. Ellen may have been in service as a very young girl but I believe the 'big family' in the Carrickmore area was also Stewart,
and were also friends of the Hamiltons of Ballintra where Ellen was a maid until she married my grandfather, John Mcvitty in 1881. I think there could be a connection, but the Bible puts her in Donegal as a young girl.

These old folk lead us a merry dance!! I'll keep looking further afield as you suggest.

Regards for now,

Carol.
Title: Re: Ellen White/Ellison from Carrickmore
Post by: GRANAGH on Wednesday 13 December 06 23:35 GMT (UK)
Hello Carol,

I'm pleased to hear that I've been of some small help.

The info re Emilie A. White came from the census index, but I'll be looking at the full census within the next week and I'll check to see who she was living with, if anyone.

I had some credits left over from a previous search at findmypast.com and being in a 'use them or lose them' situation I did a search for Emilie.

We know she claimed to be 38 in March 1901 so I did a search of the period 1861-1863.  There were hundreds of Emily Whites, and dozens of Emilia Whites, but there was only one Emilie Annie White and her birth was registered in the Loughborough district of Leicestershire during the April-June quarter of 1862.  Should you ever want to order her birth certificate the important ref. no. is 7a, 136.

Just on the off chance that her family had been in England for several years previous to her birth, I checked the 1861 English Census. (The search filters allow you to search for 'Whites' of Irish birth living in Leicestershire).

I eliminated those that were too old, too young or too far away from Loughborough and was left with only one family who may or may not be relevant.

They were the fairly properous family of Frank White, 35 yrs, born Leicestershire; his wife Sarah, 26 years born Ireland; Frank junior, 2 yrs, born Ireland; and baby Clara E. 1yr, born Loughborough.

Frank senior is described as a 'General House Master employing 30 hands' and could afford 4 servants, faithful old Mary Maquire 63 yrs, born Ireland, plus 3 local girls.

Unfortunately we cannot look for young Frank's birth in Ireland because the registration of births only began here in 1864.  But it might be interesting to check the marriages (registration began 1845) to see if a Francis/Frank White married in Ireland in the period 1855-58.

If you think that search is worth doing I'll have a go, but it may not be until after Christmas.

Regards

Brian

 
Title: Re: Ellen White/Ellison from Carrickmore
Post by: GRANAGH on Thursday 14 December 06 18:20 GMT (UK)
Hi Carol,

This is just a postscript to my last email.

I should have acknowledged that your g-grandfather was George White and therefore the family in Loughborough could not be your grandmother's.
However, you have to entertain the possibility that Emilie A. White of Athenree/Looghborough was not your grandmother's sister, although they may have been related in some other way.

Alternatively, I might well be barking up the wrong tree altogether!

Brian
Title: Re: Ellen White/Ellison from Carrickmore
Post by: Carol Mack on Sunday 11 February 07 15:15 GMT (UK)
Brian,

I am verry sorry that it has taken me until now to acknowledge and thank you for all your hard work on my behalf! I am going to send for Emilie's birth cert. and see what it shows.

The Family History centre in Ramelton mentioned a George White in Donegal but, concentrating on Carrickmore, I didn't give it a lot of consideration. Now I cant find their report! When I do I will try to find out more about him.

Until the next time,

Carol.
Title: Re: Ellen White/Ellison from Carrickmore
Post by: Carol Mack on Sunday 25 March 07 13:59 BST (UK)
Hi Folks,

Back again at the brick wall with another strategy! I dont know if I mentioned it but I have an old photo of an old woman and two younger men and written on the back in faded pencil is 'mother with George' and I have been assured its Ellen's mother. Now I guess the George must be George Ellison from Carrickmore whom we know was married to Martha White  (they are buried in Carrickmore Churchyard). Now, an old woman would not be living alone and as she was not in Donegal could she have lived with George and Martha? I would date the picture about 1890's or possibly turn of the century. If I could find her and get a Christian name and place of birth it might be a step in the right direction.

Brian, when you found George and Martha and family on the 1901 was there a mother-in-law? Has anyone access to the 1891, she may be on there.

I am guessing she may have been called Mary Jane as all the eldest girls seem to have that name!

Carol
Title: Re: Ellen White/Ellison from Carrickmore
Post by: Carol Mack on Sunday 25 March 07 15:54 BST (UK)
Can anyone tell me if the PRONI does a postal/email service? I have been on their website but all info. seems geared to personal visits.

I have found a George White m. Mary Jane Ferguson Ballyclog, Tyrone on 15 Jul 1845. Might be worth investigating, I would like to see if PRONI have their marriage entry.

George may have been from Donegal and his wife from Tyrone, hence the historical connection. I think finding Mrs. White will be very helpful!!

Carol
Title: Still searchin' for me Granny White!!!!!
Post by: Carol Mack on Wednesday 16 January 08 22:19 GMT (UK)
Hello again,

Does anyone have access to C. of I. records for Newtonstewart? I have found an Ellen White on the I.G.I birth/baptism 1848, father White, mother Margaret and possibly her sister Martha 1846.

The dates fit but I would dearly love the father to be George or possibly Robert! Can anyone help?!

Carol
Title: Re: Still searchin' for me Granny White!!!!!
Post by: kintree on Thursday 17 January 08 14:57 GMT (UK)
Carol

What reason have you to suspect Church of Ireland? The IGI record does not seem to say one way or the other. Note that the IGI record is "submitted by a member of the LDS Church", ie not an FHS copy of a contemporary record.

Newtownstewart, Co Tyrone, is in the parish of Ardstraw, CoI Diocese of Derry.

Adrian
Title: Re: Still searchin' for me Granny White!!!!!
Post by: Carol Mack on Thursday 17 January 08 21:03 GMT (UK)
Hi Adrian,
Many thanks for your comments.
I am fairly certain they were C.of I as I'm sure I remember my mother saying so. Many thanks also for the information on the Parish - at least now if I get over this year I will have more of an idea where to look! Both she and her sister say they were born in Donegal on the census, but I have failed to find anything, despite the Donegal Ancestry doing a very thorough search for me. I am still working on my mother's statement that Granny was born 'somewhere up near Omagh' !!!!!!!!!! Not a lot to go on!

Regards,
Carol

Title: Re: Still searchin' for me Granny White!!!!!
Post by: OTTO on Wednesday 23 January 08 13:12 GMT (UK)
This record from seems to fit name wise, but not location

Baptism- 11 Aug.1848, Kilkeel Roman Catholic Church Co. Down, Ellen White, parents Robert White & Margaret George
 

OTTO

Title: Re: Still searchin' for me Granny White!!!!!
Post by: Carol Mack on Thursday 14 February 08 22:05 GMT (UK)
Hi Otto,

Many thanks for your efforts on my behalf! I'm sorry I haven't acknowledged earlier but i've had a lot on lately! That entry from Kilkeel certainly fits but I have a feeling thats not her.

The reason I say father called George or Robert is based on the fact that she says on her marriage cert. that her father was George White, a farmer. However, she had 5 sons and not a George amongst them! Her second son was Robert and her third was William so either could be called for her father. He could have been Robert George, known as George.

Through Emerald Ancestry I found a William White, Carrickmore who married Ellen Porter, both servants, in Carrickmore CofI. I believe the local 'big house' was Stewarts?

Through the Donegal site someone found what is almost certainly Ellen's sister Martha White and her husband George Alliston (Ellison) on the baptismal record of their daughter Catherine. This fits with their Donegal origins on the census but how did they end up in Carrickmore very soon after? There has to be a link between Donegal, Carrickmore, the Whites and possibly the Stewart Family as Ellen certainly worked for Isabella Hamilton (nee Stewart) in Brownhall and possibly for her mother in Killindarragh.

Does any of that make sense ??!!!!

Carol