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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Dumfriesshire => Topic started by: Isobel on Friday 11 November 05 16:21 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for William Kirk born Durissdeer 1814/1815 according to 1871 census in Crawford
Can anyone trace his parents and siblings
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wonder if this is any good to you?
helen hogg was the daughter of thomas and mary bell, born 14/8/1821 eskdalemuir.
1841 census; n.d. fedling, eskdalemuir
mrs hogg...age 45
william...age 25...farmer
richard...age 21
rosina...age 20
helen...age 15
janet...age 15
peter...age 11
thomas...age 9
james...age 7
john...age 4
john beattie...age 15...ag labourer
james barter...age 20...ag labourer
cannot find helen's marriage to william
1851 census; nap, crawford
william..head...age 36...carrier...born durisdeer
helen...wife...age 29...born eskdalemuir
mary...dau...age 4...born eskdalemuir
thomas...son...age 1...born durisdeer
1861 census; 2 march house, crawford
william...head...age 46...ag labourer
helen...wife...age 39
thomas...son...age 11
elizabeth...dau...age 9...born crawford
james...son...age 7...born crawford
helen...dau...age 5...born crawford
janet...dau...age 2...born crawford
difficult to find william kirk, do you have his death cert, giving his parents names?
trying to help
Joe
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Joe
Thanks for the details.
I have found the headstone and it says William Kirk died 27/7/1888 in Crawford. Helen died 16/12/1878
Helen was born in Eskdalemuir but I don't know where they married or when but their first child was born 12/3/1847 in Crawford.
Regards
Isobel
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best i can do isobel with your new information that william's father was james and his mother elizabeth.
1851 census; durisdeer village
james...head...age 63...labourer...born durisdeer
elizabeth...wife...age 60...born sanquhar
their children all born morton, dumfries
elizabeth...age 25
james...age 23...labourer
adam...age 21...labourer
their is also their grandson staying in the house
adam...age 4...born glencairn
Joe
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Joe
Thanks for your help. Very much appreciated
Isobel
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Hello,
I've quite a bit on this family from abt 1735 to date. I can see that's it's been a while since anything was posted to this - but worth a try.
cheers .... Meg
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Hello,
I've quite a bit on this family from abt 1735 to date. I can see that's it's been a while since anything was posted to this - but worth a try.
cheers .... Meg
Yes please I would be very interested to hear what details you have.
I am trying to establish and confirm that my relatives go as far back to a James Kirk born about 1733, and married an Elizabeth Brown born 1738 in the Durisdeer area.
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Hello,
Sorry for delay, family happenings intervened. Attaching what I have on the Kirk's, and as always please don't share details of living persons. Please let me know if this helps or if you have further information on this family.
Regards .... Meg
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Hello,
Sorry for delay, family happenings intervened. Attaching what I have on the Kirk's, and as always please don't share details of living persons. Please let me know if this helps or if you have further information on this family.
Regards .... Meg
Hi,
Thank you for all of this information.
I hope to get back to you with the details of James Kirk, born 15 Apr 1759 and Margaret Kirk, b. 01 Jul 1765 once they have been confirmed.
Do you have any candidates, even just sheer speculation at this stage, of the parents of James Kirk and Elizabeth Brown?
Regards, David.
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Morning David,
Sadly I can't find any definite candidates for James and Elizabeth's parents, going by naming conventions of the time, James father would also be James, Elizabeth's father would be John, and her mother Margaret, there's no other daughter born that I can find, so no clue as to James mother's name.
I can't find any Memorial Inscriptions for the family in Durisdeer, I bought the Durisdeer MI book at the Scottish Family History fair a couple of weeks ago hoping to find traces of the family that have been hiding, and there's nothing in it on the Kirk's only one MI which doesn't relate to this branch of the family. The OPR's don't show them either, no deaths in Durisdeer so the only thing I could follow before compulsary registration in 1855 was the 1841 and 1851 census returns.
My family and the Kirks in West Calder have been friends for all of my life and before, Michael and Wullie were in the male voice choir with my Dad, Bella, Michael's wife looked after my Gt Grannie Gillespie, and writes and performs her poems and songs, two books published and I have both, I was at school with the boys (though we're all in our 60's now).
The only hope I have is that there are Burial Registers for the area, which would tell us where the family are buried as there are no headstones in the Churchyard. I transcribed West Calder Burial Records and they were a great help as a great number of burials don't have headstones. The later family all belonged to the Free Kirk of Scotland and I wonder if the earlier generations were Dissenters too, some of those records are hard to find. Will keep chipping away.
cheers .... Meg
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Dear Meg,
Thank you for your update.
Yes for sure it gets tough trying to work any further back than the 1700's.
My childhood friend from 55 years ago who's been doing all of the main research, semi professional at it I would say, has just sent me an email to say that over the last few days she has photographed all the Kirk graves and headstones in Durisdeer Mill, Durisdeer, Tynron and Penpont.
Next week she is going to try and link all the photographs to relatives.
Regards, David.