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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: timtiger on Monday 30 August 04 11:56 BST (UK)
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Hi,
There are quite a few Braby's in Oz, some are descended from 3 brothers who came from London in the mid 19th century. these include Henry (b1849?) who emigrated in 1866, and settled in Townsville and Ayr in Northern Queensland, and was an Engineer with the Colonial Suger Refinery, Then there was Martin (1853-1931) who also lived in North Qld. and was a farmer, Then there was Frederick Luff (1855-1928), my Great-Grandfather. Not sure when he emigrated, possible when he was a very young man. He had about 12 children, two wifes, and lots of descendants, who are trying to pick up the threads of the past!
They were all sons of James Braby, who was an inland revenue collector of Lamb Lane, Hackney. James was married to Caroline Luff in 1842 in Kirdford, Sussex. James was the son of James and Sarah (nee Carpenter) Braby who were also married in Kirdford, in 1799. Not sure but this James may have been also the son of John Braby and Ann Pollard who were married in Wisborough Green, Sussex, in 1777. (Both Wisborough and Kirdford are near Billinghurst, and very pretty little localities these days).
What I would be interested in is if any other descendants of the Sussex Brabys in England or Australia wish to exchange information, and may be able to flesh out the Braby family in England. Also was there a family link to Frederick Braby of Bristol and Glasgow who were steel merchants in the late 19th century up to the 1960's (there is still a Braby Group listed as rainwater goods manufacturers)?
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Another Roots Chatter is trying to reunite families with old photos he has found of their ancestors. He is looking for a Wm Braby:
"Wm Braby whose photo was taken in Sydney, Australia, offers a slightly better chance given that he was apparently aged 2½ in 1892"'.
I realize that William Braby was born:
18655/1881 BRABY WILLIAM NICHOLL FREDERIC RACHAEL MURRURUNDI
Please reply if interested, perhaps the 1892 is wrong?
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Assisted Immigrants: http://www.rootschat.com/links/0y0c/
Frederick BRABY, age 21, arrived Sydney 22 June 1877, per ship Commonwealth http://www.rootschat.com/links/0y0e/
Frederick Luff Braby - Date of Death 11/09/1928
Probate packet: http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/Entity.aspx?Path=\Item\170124
Deceased Estate: http://www.rootschat.com/links/0y0d/
cheers :)
cupoflife
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Census 1851
at Hurstpierpoint, Sussex
James Braby 35, inland revenue
Caroline Braby 30
Kate Braby 7
Ellen Braby 5
Henry Braby 2
Mary Braby 15 Mo
Ellen Port 15 - servant
Burial of Caroline BRABY at St John of Jerusalem, South Hackney, Dec 7, 1857. Abode: Lamb Lane
Census 1861 - seems that James has married a second time. There is a marriage in Bridlington, July qr 1859 for him and Martha HESELTON
at Bridlington, Yorkshire
James Braby 44, inland revenue
Martha Braby 26, b Bridlington Yorkshire
Kate Braby 17
Ellen Braby 15
Henry Braby 12
Mary Braby 11
Martin Braby 9
Ada Braby 7
Frederick Luff Braby 5
James George Braby 8 months
Harriett Welburn 17 - servant
Martha and James appear to live apart for some years after this. But you may have all that - happy to post if you want it.
Do you have Caroline's birth - I see a baptism for Caroline LUFF at Wisborough Green, b 7 Nov 1820, baptised 10 Dec 1820; parents James LUFF, Charlotte
Judith
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Some information about Henry Braby, consulting engineer
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/62170388?searchTerm=henry Braby&searchLimits=
Seems like he was very good as an engineer
A Chesters
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Some more information about Henry, and his engineering ability.
Seems he was quite an inventor, and had to argue with the Americans about a steam generator, which they claimed as theirs.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/37540774?searchTerm=henry Braby&searchLimits=
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/128462733?searchTerm=henry Braby&searchLimits=
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/71375037?searchTerm=henry Braby&searchLimits=
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/19054184?searchTerm=henry Braby&searchLimits=
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/75760094?searchTerm=henry Braby&searchLimits=
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/52282079?searchTerm=henry Braby&searchLimits=
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/24851385?searchTerm=henry Braby&searchLimits=
There is plenty more on Trove, the digitised newspaper records.
A Chesters
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The initial post is ten years old so I am unsure if the person will even receive our responses? I am also trying a tree on Ancestry to help find a descendant of the person in the photo. I will direct the person who has the photo to this thread :)
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Another Roots Chatter is trying to reunite families with old photos he has found of their ancestors. He is looking for a Wm Braby:
"Wm Braby whose photo was taken in Sydney, Australia, offers a slightly better chance given that he was apparently aged 2½ in 1892"'
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I'm afraid that I have just had to make a very grovelling apology to Nova67 by PM.
I have just looked very closely at the inscription on the reverse of the photograph I am trying to reunite. It seems that what I interpreted as a "W" is actually a badly written "Ev". The squiggle I thought was an "m" (giving "Wm" for William) is an "a". Thus we have Eva Braby and not Wm Braby. The record I was looking for is:
759/1890 BRABY EVA ERNEST MINNIE A SYDNEY
Now that we have positively ID'd the sitter in this photograph, can anybody prove their descent from her? After the way I have inadvertently maligned poor little Eva, it would be a great shame if I cannot send her home. Meanwhile, I'd better bring forward the next appointment with the Optician!
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Thanks for the PM, YourAncestors. We seem to have sabotaged this thread and I am not sure if we shouldn't start a new one with a link to this one?
I shall try my old tricks for finding a home for Eva! Including trees on Ancestry.
Please scan in any inscription. I had a very embarrassing time on the Deciphering and Recognition part of the forum recently! It is easy to misinterpret.
I must admit I was baffled by the 2 1/2 in 1892! I had also considered that the child could have been born in 1892.
On to Eva now.....
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I have last found Miss Eva Braby b. abt 1890 arriving in Liverpool (from Brisbane) on the T S S Ulysseus on 25 April 1939, via Durban and Capetown. Her country of last permanent residence is given as South Africa. Her proposed permanent address is what I think is the Standard Bank of South Africa, 19 Northumberland Avenue, London. Her occupation is given as Home Duties.
So possibly no descendants ???
The family were also travelling in 1919, with Ernest's occupation given as traveller!
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From the Ryerson Index:
http://ryersonindex.net/search.php (http://ryersonindex.net/search.php)
Surname Given Names Notice Type Date Type Age Other Details Publication Published
BRABY Ernest Death notice 07JUL1950 Death 89 at Waverton Sydney Morning Herald 08JUL1950
Deaths:
24527/1937 BRABY MINNIE AGNES CHARLES RACHAEL NORTH SYDNEY
18115/1950 BRABY ERNEST ALFRED MARY JANE CHATSWOOD
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From TROVE:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13760046?searchTerm=ernest braby&searchLimits=l-title=35|||l-category=Family+Notices (http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13760046?searchTerm=ernest braby&searchLimits=l-title=35|||l-category=Family+Notices)
The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954) Wednesday 19 February 1890 Page 1:
Births
BRABY - February 18 at Shepherd-Street, South Sydney, the wife of Ernest Braby, of a daughter.
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From TROVE:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18160263?searchTerm=ernest braby&searchLimits=l-title=35|||l-category=Family+Notices|||l-decade=195 (http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18160263?searchTerm=ernest braby&searchLimits=l-title=35|||l-category=Family+Notices|||l-decade=195)
The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954 Saturday 8 July 1950 page 38
Deaths
Braby, Ernest - July 7, 1950, at his home at Waverton in his 90th year.
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Miss Eva Braby was involved in the Repertory Theatre in Sydney in 1921/22:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?l-title=35&q=eva+braby&s=0 (http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?l-title=35&q=eva+braby&s=0)
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Re Reply#9, there are other children of Ernest and Minnie, so maybe we are looking for a sideways relative:
759/1890 BRABY EVA ERNEST MINNIE A SYDNEY
21549/1891 BRABY HECTOR ERNEST MINNIE A MARRICKVILLE
21896/1893 BRABY HAROLD ERNEST MINNIE A MARRICKVILLE
21897/1893 BRABY ARTHUR ERNEST MINNIE A MARRICKVILLE
7780/1897 BRABY RONALD ERNEST MINNIE A VAUCLUSE
Consider this thread well and truly hijacked :o
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Deaths:
9217/1891 BRABY HECTOR ERNEST MINNIE MARRICKVILLE
17347/1934 BRABY RONALD ERNEST MINNIE A WEST MAITLAND
24166/1970 BRABY HAROLD ERNEST BRABY MINNIE GRIFFITH
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Eva was at Church of England Grammar School for Girls, where she won a prize for divinity:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/14781176?searchTerm=eva braby&searchLimits=l-title=35 (http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/14781176?searchTerm=eva braby&searchLimits=l-title=35)
I think this is SCEGGS Darlinghurst now.
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Person transcript details (from Find My Past UK):
Name:Mr Eva BRABY
Date of departure:30 July 1908
Port of departure:Liverpool
Passenger destination port:Sydney, Australia
Passenger destination:Sydney, Australia
Date of Birth:1890 (calculated from age)
Age:18
Marital status:Single
Sex:Female
Occupation:Spinster
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Ship: RUNIC
Official Number: 113441
Master's name: S A Anning
Steamship Line: White Star
Where bound: Sydney, Australia
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Australian Electoral Rolls for 1949:
Braby, Ernest 27 King Street, Waverton (no occupation given)
Braby, "Eve", 27 King St, Waverton, home duties
Cannot find her after that. If she died after 1983 will not appear yet on NSW BDM and not on Ryerson index.
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Weird breakthrough :o
Her nickname is "Poppy"
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/16628763?searchTerm=POPPY BRABY&searchLimits=
The Sydney Morning Herald, Feb 26, 1930:
NEAR AND FAR
Mrs Brundell-Woods entertained at her residence, Quamby, Artarmon, last week, in honour of Miss Poppy Braby, of Wollstonecroft, who will leave for South Africa on March 1. Etc.....
Earlier travels to India in 1924, where she is to be a guest of the Mercantile Bank in Delhi:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/16160224?searchTerm=POPPY BRABY&searchLimits=l-title=35 (http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/16160224?searchTerm=POPPY BRABY&searchLimits=l-title=35)
There are also other references to Poppy at same Church of England Girls Grammar School and doing theatrical performances:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q=POPPY+BRABY&l-title=35 (http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q=POPPY+BRABY&l-title=35)
Bizarrely, what led me to this was a death in the online databases at SA Genealogy:
http://www.genealogysa.org.au/?option=com_search&ref=search&id=5&s=YnJhYnk=&g=ZXZh&c=1&y=&r=MA==
Advertiser (newspaper) BRABY Eva (Poppy) 1983
Poppy Braby appears to be buried (from what I can work out) at Stirling General Cemetery in Port Augusta, South Australia, unless there is some other similar such person, but I will try and find out more.
http://www.australiancemeteries.com/sa/adelaide_hills/stirling.htm (http://www.australiancemeteries.com/sa/adelaide_hills/stirling.htm)
Fascinating, if true. Waverton is adjacent Wollstonecroft and a very affluent area in Sydney's lower North Shore. Her father was also listed as a merchant.
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Thank you to lovely Irene and Margaret at SA Genealogy for speedy info ;D
In The Advertiser on 22-7-1983 Eva (Poppy) Braby, died 15-7-1983. In cemetery index and burial register she was buried on 25-7-1983 at Stirling General Cemetery. No Headstone. She was 93 (correct age for b.1890). They will look up the full newspaper article for me/us on Saturday.
My goodness, I am wondering why she ended up in the Mid-North of SA ???
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I am really hoping that you are still looking for an Eva ;D This has been a good way to spend another sweltering day in SA! Forecast Adelaide 43, Port Augusta 44 :'(
I think if we cannot find a relative for little Eva, we should write a bio and give the photo to SCEGGS Darlinghurst. They would have archives on old scholars.
Will try and find out if we can find anything out in South Africa.
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Thanks very much. Standard Bank of South Africa in Northumberland Avenue sounds right as I have found several references to it. These give the address as 9 rather than 19 Northumberland Avenue, though.
I will PM you later this morning with the inscription on the photograph.
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Have just found Ernest and Minnie (nee Browne), Eva (Poppy) Braby's, parents in an Ancestry tree. Have emailed the tree owner for more details but he/she has apparently not logged in for over a year. So, not sure whether the tree owner is actively researching.
Looks as though the tree owner's connection is through the Browne line so not sure whether this will yield any helpful information.
Have seen your related thread on the South African connection at http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=677326.msg5220775#msg5220775 (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=677326.msg5220775#msg5220775). Thank you. Have also PM'd you today.
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Ernest Braby occupation is given as Importer on Electoral Rolls, with the exception being in 1943 where he is listed as a jeweller. His son Ronald was also a jeweller and did a course in spectacle making (per his war service record).
My g-g grandfather was a jeweller and imported guns ??? Also had a sideline in drapery at one point.
Eva's other brothers also enlisted in WW1: Harold was a farmer. I think he may have ended up in Griffith in the Riverina area of NSW and Arthur was an (RMO) Resident Medical Officer at Sydney Hospital when he enlisted. Arthur married in London:
Per FREE BMD
Arthur Braby
Marian Wood
Pancras, London
Vol 1B Page 82
War Service records are available to access at The National Archives of Australia for all three men:
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/SearchScreens/BasicSearch.aspx
Will PM you :)
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Marriage:
9129/1925 BRABY HAROLD KEYS MURIEL C YASS
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Ronald Braby's gravestone:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=BRA&GSpartial=1&GSbyrel=all&GScntry=15&GSsr=1&GRid=80638972&
Wife is shown as Ida.
New South Wales, Australia, Index to Deceased Estate Files, 1923-1958
Name:
Ronald Braby
Death Date:
25 Aug 1934
Residence Place:
West Maitland formerly of Cairns
Occupation:
Optometrist Jeweller
Civil Place:
New South Wales, Australia
Name:
Ronald Braby
Spouse Name:
Ida May Chandler
Marriage Date:
6 Aug 1923
Marriage Place:
Queensland
Registration Place:
Queensland
Registration Year:
1923
Registration Number:
002594
Page Number:
370
Have them at West Maitland in the Hunter Valley of NSW in 1930 and 1933 Electoral Rolls.
Same occupation for him. All per Ancestry.
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Thank you to lovely Irene and Margaret at SA Genealogy for speedy info ;D
In The Advertiser on 22-7-1983 Eva (Poppy) Braby, died 15-7-1983. In cemetery index and burial register she was buried on 25-7-1983 at Stirling General Cemetery. No Headstone. She was 93 (correct age for b.1890). They will look up the full newspaper article for me/us on Saturday.
My goodness, I am wondering why she ended up in the Mid-North of SA ???
Now it is my turn for egg on face time. Eva/Poppy is buried at Stirling Cemetery at Strathalbyn Road, Aldgate in the Adelaide Hills. That sort of makes more sense. Not the one in the mid-north. :-[