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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Buckinghamshire => England => Buckinghamshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Rodney Australia on Tuesday 08 November 05 02:59 GMT (UK)
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I would be most interested in any details of the family of Thomas Hanson, born circa 1814. His son Richard (my great-great-grandfather) was born circa 1848 in Chearsley and married Isabella Kirby in Shabbington in 1871. They had a son Aaron in 1872 who died on the voyage to Australia in 1874.
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Hi Rodney....
Hows this...c2 June 1872 Aaron -father Richard Hanson
mother Isabella.
c1 April 1849 Thomas
Maria
James
Richard
children of Thomas and Hannah Hanson Chearsley.
All baptised together,
After this the fun starts the spelling of Hanson changes so bear with me.
C24 May 1840 Betsy
22 Oct 1837 John
12 Oct 1835 Mary,
Parents listed as Thomas and Hannah ANSON.
Found their marriage as well ....
Thomas Anson of Chearsley & Hannah Wheeler of Haddenham.(Village next door).
Must have married in Hadenham as only the last calling of banns is shown...6 July 1834.
Hope this gives you a start let me know if you would like to know more.
OH nearly forgot WELCOME :D to Rootschat.
Tazzie
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Thanks ever so much for your prompt reply. I am thrilled with the information you sent. I assume it all came from the records for the Parish Church of St Nicholas and that they are the actual dates for the baptisms, except where indicated otherwise.
I understand that Hannah Hanson (until your message I didn't know her name!) may have died when Richard was very young. Is there a record of her death/burial?
Rodney
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Hi Rodney....
Yes have found a burial date.....
11 Nov 1849=Hannah Hanson wife of Thomas age 40.
How far back would you like to go .My Walker family in Chearsley can go back to 1780 .
Let me know if you would like more info and I will go through all my paper work
Tracy
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Hello Tracy
Thanks again for your reply. I would be very interested in whatever information you can ascertain on Thomas’s family.
I gather from the IGI that a Maria Hanson (Richard’s sister?) married a Joseph Walker on 24 July 1859 in Chearsley. We may be related!
I found out today from the 1881 Census that Thomas remarried. His wife is shown as Sarah Hanson, born circa 1815 at Rowsham in Buckinghamshire.
Rodney
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Hi Rodney....
Have just fished out all my Waker details and will go and look through .Be back to you later.
Tracy
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I think I have the Thomas's christening:
14 Nov 1813 Thomas Savory child of Thomas and Maria Hanson of Chearsley, Labourer
Julie
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Hi Julie...
I found a marriage for Thomas & Maria
21 Jan 1783 Thomas Handson
Mariah Badrick.
Is it just the spelling of her name that changes only first child was born in 1783 and last in 1813?
Also found burial of Maria Anson 28 Oct 1799 wife of Thomas, cannot find a 2nd marriage.
Maria died after giving birth to daughter Rebecca (c6 Oct 1799).
Can you see anything ?
Tazzie
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Hello Rodney....
Have found the link your grt grt grandfathers sister (Maria ) married my grt grt grt grand fathers brother -so what does that make us ???.
Have found some more Hanson/Ansons and will post later (have to go do the boring job of ironing )
Tracy
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Hi Tazzie (& Rodney)
Weren't we looking at Badrick's a while ago? I seem to remember this marriage....
So what have we got so far:
Handson
Handom
Handsom
Hanson
Anson
Hansom
Mariah/Maria
I'm now feeling very confused....I think I need to have another look after a good nights sleep. Maybe it will all become clear :-\
I'm suddenly glad I'm related to the White's of Chearsley rather than the Hanson/Badrick/Walker clan!! ;)
Julie
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Thanks Julie :o
Yes we keep running rings around ourselves dont we.
At least my Walkers spelt it the same all the way through . Still ticking off villages looking for good old Francis Walker however so who knows ???
Tracy
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Had another look at them all today.
Thomas and Mariah (nee Badrick) had 8 children (I think!):
Richard 1783, Thomas 1785, John 1786, Richard 1788, Elizabeth 1790, Sarah 1793, William 1795, Rebecca 1799
Mariah died in 1799
Thomas and Maria had 4 children:
James 1806, Maria 1808, John 1811, Thomas Savory 1813
It seems logical to assume (given the birth dates) that it is the same Thomas remarried to a different Maria BUT they would have had 2 children called John - the first John b1785 died 1868, the second John b1811. This bothers me and makes me think that it is a different Thomas.
I wondered whether it might be his son Thomas (b1785), but then found he married Martha and had 2 children: Thomas & Maria, so had to discount him as he would have ended up with 2 Thomas's and 2 Maria's!!
MAYBE it's a completely different Thomas, although with all the similar family names, he could well have been a cousin of some sort.
I'm not sure I'm any clearer or that I have helped, just wanted to share my thoughts so far :-\
I'm also slightly concerned as I found a marriage between Sarah Hanson and Richard Ewers. The Ewers are in my family tree and, believe me, they are just as complicated as the Hanson's!! Maybe I am part of the clan after all ;)
Julie
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Hi Julie...
So the plot thickens .I tried writing this one down but that did not help . Could be cousins? My Walkers loved doing this children all of same age with same name.
Hanson has a big jump back to the 1600s so there would be a lot of ground to cover to find who lived where.
??? ??? ???
I f there is a connection -WELCOME- To a very extended clan .
Any ideas why your Richard EWERS is aka Verey!
I have James Walker marring Mary VEARY in 1860.
Thank God Chearsley is a small village we've got enough to deal with now :-\ :-\
A very confused
Tracy
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Hi Tazzie (& Julie)
I have been following your investigations with great interest.
The second marriage of Thomas Hanson I was initially interested in occurred between 1871 and 1881 (to Sarah, born circa 1815 at Roxham).
I was wondering what happened to Maria & Joseph Walker. They had a daughter, Elizabeth, circa 1860. Do you have any information after that?
I would also be interested in what happened to Thomas and Hannah Hanson’s other children: Mary (born c1835), John (born c1837 and single and living at home in 1881), Elizabeth (born c1840), Thomas (born c1842 and widowed and living with his father in 1881), and James (born c1847). Hopefully the records won’t be as confusing for this period!
Take your time in replying.
Rodney.
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There is nothing in the Chearsley registers for Thomas & Sarah's marriage, presumably would have taken place in her parish. It does have Sarah's burial record 29 Sept 1881 aged 67 and Thomas 17 Oct 1890 aged 77.
There are some details of Thomas & Hannah's son James (b.1845 & chr 1849). He married Ellen Kirby in 1872 and had 8 children (that I can find) : Flora chr.1872, William chr.1874, Mary Maria chr. 1876, George chr. 1880, Emma Isabella chr. 1882, Kate chr.1884, Sarah chr.1886 & Ellen chr 1889. Presumably you may have some of these details from the census.
There is also the second marriage of their son Thomas (c1842) on 7 Nov 1881 (after the census)
Thomas Hanson, 40, widower, Carrier of Chearsley, son of Thomas Hanson, Carrier
Mary Blake, 24, spinster of Chearsley, daughter of William Blake, Labourer.
I'll leave the Walkers to Tazzie....
PS Tazzie - I have no idea why Richard Ewers was AKA Verey, there are SO many Richard Ewers I'm not even sure which one he is! Most of them lived in the nearby village of Ashendon.
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Many thanks Julie for the information. Did Ellen Kirby by any chance come from Shabbington? James's brother, Richard (my g-g-grandfather), married Isabella Kirby from Shabbington in 1871.
Rodney
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The records have her as 'Servant of Chearsley' so presumably she was living in Chearsley, but the 1881 census has her born in Shabbington ;D
Her father is named as William Kirby, Labourer.
The witnesses at the wedding were George Kirby and Ellen Carver.
Looks like the brothers may have married sisters ;)
Julie
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Hi Rodney...
Here we go with the Walker family of Chearsley.
Joseph and Maria..
Children baptised in St Nicholas Chearsley.
Elizabeth c19 Feb 1860
Burial 4 Oct 1864 *
William c 9 Oct 1864
Owen c 25 Dec 1865*
Thomas James c 30June 1867*
Mary Ann c 24 July 1870*
Burial 25 April 1871*
Joseph c 25 Aug 1872 *
(* entry states of Kimble Wick)
1881 census show the family living in Little Kimble.
Kimble Wick Cottage,Little Kimble Bucks.
Walker Joseph hd 44 bChearsley Farm bailiff
Maria wi 39 bChearsley f/b wife
William so 17 b Kimble Wick Ag lab carter
Thomas so 14 b Kimble Wick scholar
Joseph so 9 b Kimble Wick scholar
Aron so 8 b Kimble Wick scholar
John so 5 b Kimble Wick
Selina da 4 b Kimble Wick
George so 3 b Kimble Wick
Alice da 1 b Kimble Wick
( Also a lodger Thomas Small age 77)
Have not got all details for 1891 so will post a help on the site and will go and check my other file for 1901.
Be back later.
Tazzie
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Hello Again
Had to get a check on 1891 for the family (thanks to Tati) we have..
Ihave found a death recorded for a Joseph Walker in 1844 the age and location seem to fit and in1891 Maria is shown as a widow..
Maria Walker hd wid 47 licensed victuallar!
Thomas so u 23 lab
Joseph so 20 "
John so 16 farm lab
George so 13 lab
James so 7 scholar
Selena da 14 "
Alace da 12 "
The family now live at Long Wick.
Still living at the cottages we find
William hd u 27 ag lab
Owen br u 26 ag lab.
A few changes by 1901 (not many)
Maria still head
still living at home are;
William b@1863
Owen b@1871(still confused on that one )
Jack/John b@1876
George b@1878
Alice b@1880
James b@1884
Selina married a George Mason and I'm still looking for her.
Joseph jr married Emily and by 1901 are in Bisham Berks.
Joseph Walker hd b@1874
Emily wi b@1874
Davie M L da b @1890 b Bisham
Archie so b@1894 bHigh Wycombe
Willie L so b@1897 bWoodstock
Also living with them is Thomas his brother .
Hope this fills in a few more gaps .As I find more I will let you know,
Tracy
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Hello Tazzie
I have been having fun digesting all the information you have provided on the Walkers and trying to follow up a few points. Thanks for all your work!
Re Owen Walker. He has turned up in the 1871 census aged 5! Perhaps he was farmed out to one of the relatives to look after. (Assuming his 1901 age is wrong.)
I found my g-g-grandfather, Richard Hanson, living with Maria and Joseph in 1871.
Have you got any further details on Joseph’s death? Was he buried at Chearsley and if so when? (The year you gave must be a mistype.)
Regards Rodney
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Rodney,,,,,I must have had a brain storm.
Here we go Joseph died 1884 (typing too quickley again). Not buried in Chearsley so I will have a look in the records next time I go to the library.
Owen is confusing me as in 1881 ARON is listed and then disappears as yet cannot find death. Owen age changes so I will look at that further as well.
Cannot find Richard buried in Chearsley so will check Kimble.
Thanks
Tazzie
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Thanks Tazzie. Don't worry about looking for Richard as he came to Australia. Just thought you might be interested that he lived with the Walkers for a while.
Rodney
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Hi Julie
I see you are related to the White's of Chearsley. My 2x great grandmother Athalia White c1826 - 1902 married John Miles. Athalia's father was Richard White (1841 census) a sister Mary but no mother's name, I have no other info on the White family, would you be able to help with any more info please?
Thanks
Brian
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Hi Brian
Welcome to Rootschat. I am not sure if Julie has replied to you by pm if I have duplicated this oh well.
I have found Athaliah's baptism details
1832 15 April Athaliah daughter of Richard & Ann White lab of Chearsley
also 10 May 1837 Ann White age 40 wife of Richard.
Tazzie
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Hi Tazzie
Thanks very much for this helpful info. So Athaliah's mother Ann died in 1837,, will keep searching to find out more about her & what her maiden name was, thanks again
Brian
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Hi
I cannot see Richards first marriage to the unknown Ann but he remarries again in 1844...
Richard X White 45 widower lab of Chearsley son of William White Lab
Ann X Tomkins widow of Chearsley dau of John Donald carpenter
witnesses Joseph x Kingsley Mary Ann x Kingsley.
Tazzie
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Hi
Thanks Tazzie, very helpful info.
Brian
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Apologies for jumping in. :-[
Looks like a Walker hunt is on. ;D
Alice Walker 1880(Kimblewick) daughter of Joseph Walker 1837.Chearsley)) married my Gt.Uncle Charles Ives 1881.(Longwick. Princes Risborough) son of William Ives - 1852. Longwick.)).
J/A/S 1904 at St.Mary's Princes Risborough.
Children(that I've found so far. No certs).
Edith 1905. Longwick
Elsie 1907. Longwick.
Annie 1909. longwick.
Florence 1912.
Dorothy M. 1914.
Daisy M. 1917.
Also Alice's brothers William c1863(Occ.ag.lab) & James c1884(Occ.Bottlewasher at Brewery) both Kimblewick, are with them in 1911, at Longwick.
Steve. :)
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Hi Steve....
Any details for the Walkers of Chearsley you need?
Have PRs so let me know
Tazzie
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Hi Steve....
Any details for the Walkers of Chearsley you need?
Have PRs so let me know
Tazzie
No Thanks Tazzie. I reckon we've got the same set of PR discs. ;D ;D
Just one question though(I haven't researched the Walkers that thoroughly at all), are the parents of Joseph Walker 1836/7. Chearsley .....................William Walker c1800 and Ann Walker(nee.Silver) or William & Martha(nee.??) Walker. I have his Joseph baptism as 15 May 1836. to the latter.
Steve. :)
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Hi Steve..
He is listed as son of William & Martha Walker of Chearsley.
William and Ann baptise a son Thomas in September of that year.As yet I do not know Martha maiden name as they do not appear in marriages or banns for the village.
My problem is too many William Walkers.. 5x great grandad Francis had a number with 2 wives..
1782 William aug died sept 1782
1794 William jan died aug 1795 with brother John (no baptism for John)
1798 William may died nov 1799
Lots of Walkers in Dinton as well.
Tazzie
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OK, thanks very much Tazzie. :)
I'd better give the Walkers more thought and research. Loads of Walkers in Princes Risborough also. :o ;D
I'm suffering from FH overload, so I'm giving my brain cell a wee rest for a bit, and try and help a few others instead.
I'll have a peak back in the Chearsley PR's tomorrow. ;)
I also noticed you were talking about the various Richard Ewers.
As far as I can tell, my Richard Ewer married Sarah Turner in 1764.Ashendon. They had a son Thomas 1771. Ashendon. He married a Sarah Varney @Dorton in 1805, and had a daughter Mariah Ewers in 1816. Ashendon.
Mariah Ewers then married John Bull in 1844. Waddesden. They then had Alice Ellen Bull in 1860. Waddesden, who went on to marry Mark Lambourne 1861.Aylesbury, and they had a son Alfred Lambourne 1889. Walton, Aylesbury. Who then married my Aunty Olive Burgess 1898. Hulme, Manchester in 1918 Aylesbury.
And Olive Burgess was my mums sister. ;D
Easy innit. :o ;D
Thanks Tazzie. ;)
Steve. :)
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Over load you said it ...... back to me with Lambourne but in Cheddington... ;D
looking at loose ends in Bucks and trying to get to Aylesbury for the Bucks FHS fair on Saturday paperwork everywhere at the moment.
Tazzie
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Over load you said it ...... back to me with Lambourne but in Cheddington... ;D
looking at loose ends in Bucks and trying to get to Aylesbury for the Bucks FHS fair on Saturday paperwork everywhere at the moment.
Tazzie
My Lambournes, as far as I have found, go back to a marriage of Thomas Lambourne to Elizabeth Baker in 1673. Twyford, Bucks, I think( without looking). Before turning up in North Marston and then to Robert Lambourne 1825. Cheddington. :o :o
Have we met in a former life. ;D ;D ;)
No doubt we have a few common names between us. :)
Steve. :)
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Blimey..... connected there then..
Robert Lambourne b 1826 Richard & Rachel
my 3x great gran was Jane Lambourne bapt 24 feb 1811 to Richard & Rachel.
Have Rachel as Chapman.....parents Thomas & Jane
Richard Lambourne parents as Thomas & Sarah nee Smith.
From notes passed on by relly.
They keep running up and down the road to Long Marston near Tring just into Hertfordshire.
Tazzie
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Blimey..... connected there then..
Robert Lambourne b 1826 Richard & Rachel
my 3x great gran was Jane Lambourne bapt 24 feb 1811 to Richard & Rachel.
Have Rachel as Chapman.....parents Thomas & Jane
Richard Lambourne parents as Thomas & Sarah nee Smith.
From notes passed on by relly.
They keep running up and down the road to Long Marston near Tring just into Hertfordshire.
Tazzie
Yes they do. ;D ;D They must have had shares in Nike. ;D.......tiptoing around in Ivinghoe as well. They weren't into small families either. :o
And Thomas Lambourne 1746 as parents Robert Lambourne c1711 Twyford and Elizabeth Smith who married in 1732. North Marston.
My Aunty Olive had 10 children with Alfred Lambourne.
Steve. :)
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Hi Tazzie and Steve,
Further to your discussions relating to William Walker b 1805.in Cuddington later residing in Chearsley.
The information discussed does not tie up with my own records which show William married twice:
1.Ann Silver from Dorton b.1799. Married 1830 She died 1854.
Children :
James b.1831
Elizabeth b.1833
Thomas b.1836
William b.1838/39
Mary b.1841
Joseph b.1844/45
Arthur b.1854
2.Mary Johnson b1815 from Chearsley. Banns 25 Dec.1864.Died 1895.(See Chearsley PR).
No children.
The problem is I have not confirmed the parentage of William which I believe to be a Thomas Walker but I lack info.
William may have moved from Cuddington with two brothers Thomas b.1810 and Joseph b.1818.
Please feel free to shoot me down if you disagree!
Regards,Rob Walker