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Looking for TRATHEN (TRATHAM)’s who once lived in Phillack (near Hayle, Cornwall) before they moved to Swansea, Wales and changed their family name to STRATTON
Here are the 1861 census listings for two of these households:
RG9/1586 Folio 99 Page 36
Rules Row
Phillack
TRATHEN Thomas Head 46 Mar b Phillack Blacksmith
TRATHEN Mary Ann Wife 32 Mar b Phillack
TRATHEN James Son 20 Unm b Phillack Blacksmith
TRATHEN Eliza J Daughter 19 Unm b Phillack Domestic
TRATHEN Harriet Daughter 16 Unm b Phillack Tailoress
TRATHEN Thomas Son 15 Unm b Phillack Blacksmith
TRATHEN Mary Daughter 12 b Phillack Scholar
TRATHEN Emily T Daughter 2 b Phillack
RG9/4105 Folio 51 Page 50
8 Croft Street (Private House)
Swansea
TRATHAM William Head 48 Mar b Cornwall Boiler Maker
TRATHAM Avis Wife 47 Mar b Cornwall
TRATHAM William Son 11 b Swansea Scholar
TRATHAM Caroline Dau 8 b Swansea b Swansea Scholar
HANER Thomas Orphan 15 Unm b Neath Glamorgan Boiler Maker
By the 1881 Census, these families changed their names to STRATTON.
William STRATTON Head M Male 68 Hayle, Cornwall, England Boiler Maker
Avis STRATTON Wife M Female 68 St Erth, Cornwall, England Home
James THOMAS Son In Law M Male 28 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Moulder (Iron)
Caroline THOMAS Daur M Female 28 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Home
Wm. George THOMAS Grand Son Male 4 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Scholar
Florence Priscilla THOMAS Grand Daur Female 1 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Home
Dwelling:28 Earl Street
Census:Place St John Near Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
Thomas STRATTON Boarder (Head) M Male 64 Hayle, Cornwall, England B Smith
Mary STRATTON Wife M Female 45 Hayle, Cornwall, England
Dwelling: 6 Hafod St
Census: Place St John Near Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
Thomas STRATTON Head M Male 34 Hayle, Cornwall, England Furnaceman Steel Works
Annie Elizabeth STRATTON Wife M Female 34 London, Middlesex, England
William George STRATTON Son Male 12 Swansea Scholar
Avis Mary STRATTON Daur Female 10 Swansea Scholar
Charlotte Ann STRATTON Daur Female 8 Swansea Scholar
Harriet STRATTON Daur Female 6 Swansea Home
Thomas STRATTON Son Male 3 Swansea Home
Annie Elizabeth STRATTON Daur Female 5 m Swansea
Dwelling: 28 Vernon St
Census: Place St John Near Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
Please reply if you have any research interest in the family history of these individuals :)
Peter
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Do you have this?
HO107/1916 Folio 661 Page 44
North of Trevassack? Phillack, Cornwall
Thomas Trathan 34 Blacksmith Phillack
Mary Ann 23 Tailoress Phillack
Elizabeth Ann 12 Phillack
James 10 Phillack
Eliza Jane 8 Phillack
Harriet 7 Phillack
Thomas 5 Phillack
Caroline 4 Phillack
Mary 2 Phillack
John Christopher 5mths Phillack
Regards,
Catherine
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and
HO107/1916 Folio 663 Page 48
North of Trevassack? Phillack, Cornwall
William Trathen 35 Labourer in Iron Foundry Phillack
Ann 35 St Eith?
Richard B...t (Burt?) bro in law 25 Shipwright Phillack
William B...t bro in law 23 Phillack
Ellen B...t sis in law 15 no trade Phillack
Samuel bro in law 13 Masons App Phillack
NEXT DOOR -
George Trathen widower 75/8? Retired copper miner Phillack
Regards,
Catherine
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Hi Catherine,
I had recently received information on
HO107/1916 Folio 661 Page 44. This is one of the families who moved to Swansea.
However, HO107/1916 Folio 663 Page 48 is new information to me. It closely ties in with the following:
GEORGE TRATHEN & JANE ?
- GEORGE TRATHEN Christening: 24 JAN 1773, Phillack
GEORGE TRATHEN & ELIZABETH ?
-THOMAS WILLIAMS TRATHEN Christening: 02 JUL 1815, Phillack
George Trathen may have been one of the first Trathens born in Phillack. It appears that he was living next door to his son in 1851. Would you have access to the 1841 Census to check if George's wife was still alive? :)
Peter
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The 1841 census has, address Trevassack in Phillack:
George Trathan, 65, miner, in county
Elizabeth, 65, ditto.
Living nearby are Edward Trathan, 25, wife Rosamine, 25, daughter Ann, 1, son Thomas, 3M, probably brothers of Edward also in household are William, 20, George, 20, possible sister Caroline, 15.
(you can see this at freecen.rootsweb.com)
Here's an interesting bit from A2A! (www.a2a.org.uk)
1 May 1821
Margaret Stratton, alias Margaret Trathen of Gulval, spinster, indicted for taking two burthens of furze, value 6d., property of William Stephens: one month in Launceston gaol.
Phillack Marriages on www.uk-genealogy.org.uk show the marriage of George Trathen, soujourner, and Jane Matthews, 6 Dec 1772. Also Edward Trathen and Ann Barnes, soujourners, 10 April 1812.
Parish records show not only Goerge chrs. 24 Jan 1773 to George and Jane, but a Jane Stratton d.o. George and Jane, 14 April 1775, and a Thomas Stratton son of George and Jane, 18 Sep 1777 (died 12 Jun 1781 as Stratton), Mary Stratton d.o. George and Jane, 31 Dec 1780 (died 6 April 1781 as Stratton), Edward Stratton son of George and Jane, 20 May 1783, Edward Stratton again, 16 May 1785, Mary again, 30 Jun 1786, another Thomas, 14 May 1791, Christopher Stratton, 9 Feb 1795.
Jane Trathan, aged 68, resident Hallen Kene, was buried 1 Oct 1821 in Phillack. George Trathen, aged 82, resident Trevassack, was buried 22 Feb 1824. Edward Trathan, aged 44, was buried 27 Dec 1826 (doesn't quite match Edward Stratton, son of George and Jane, but close)
Then:
Christopher Stratton son of George and Elizabeth, 22 Nov 1801.
George Stratton son of George and Elizabeth, 20 Nov 1803
Richard Matthews Stratton son of George and Elizabeth, 4 May 1806
Elizabeth Maria Stratton d.o G & E, 10 Jul 1808
William Trathan s.o George and Elizabeth, 20 Sep 1812
Thomas Barns Trathan s.o Edward and Ann, 29 Nov 1812
Richard Trathen son of Thomas and Margaret, 29 Jan 1815
(and so on)
An interesting one:
Elizabeth Maria Sturge Trathen m. Richard Penrose, 15 Nov 1824.
Eliz Mia Maria Stuges Penrose m. Richard Tristrail, 23 Nov 1835.
- I think this is the Elizabeth Maria Stratton daughter of George and Elizabeth. She is 30 in the 1841 census (family spelt as 'Trestrail')
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Dear JoRose,
Thank you so much for suppling such a large cache of information about the Trachens of Phillack.
My new motto is:
When you're trackin' a STRATTON,
You'll find a Trachen.
And when you're trackin' a TRACHEN,
You'll find a Stratton! :D
I've been updating the family tree based on this new information. It's a bit of a mystery why the Strattons suddenly decided to go through a name change after 1810. I've heard of this type of clandestine behaviour but I didn't expect to encounter it in my research.
I'm fairly confident that many of the names (STRATTON or TRACHEN) that you provided are directly connected.
Thank you again for providing some excellent detective work! :)
Peter
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Hmmm... a possiblity for George Sr, who must have been b. about 1842, is George Stratten chrs. 13 Jan 1844 Uny Lelant, son of Edward and Jane. Lelant is across from Phillack (seperated by the River Hayle). If you look on the IGI you'll see siblings of this George include Edward, Jane, Thomas and Christopher. Family is Edward Stratton m. Jane Uren.
Some of these have their name spelled 'Strathen'...
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Dear Jorose,
I checked the IGI as you suggested and I believe this is what you are referring to:
EDWARD STRATTEN JANE UREN
05 NOV 1744 Uny Lelant, Cornwall, England
GEORGE STRATTEN Christening: 13 JAN 1744 Uny Lelant, Cornwall, England
JANE STRATTON Christening: 29 JAN 1748 Uny Lelant, Cornwall, England
EDWARD STRATTON Christening: 03 JAN 1750 Uny Lelant, Cornwall, England
THOMAS STRATHEN Christening: 29 DEC 1754 Uny Lelant, Cornwall, England
CHRISTOPHER STRATHEN Christening: 09 NOV 1760 Uny Lelant, Cornwall, England
George Sr. appears to be the only Stratton who settled in Phillack in the late 1700's. I wouldn't want to speculate as to the whereabouts of George's siblings, given the constant names changes!
Thank you once again for pointing me in the right direction! ;D
Peter
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In researching a collateral family of mine in St Erth/Crowan, I ran across the marriage of a widow, Elizabeth (nee Woolcock) Matthews, to widower Richard Trathan, in 1858 in St Erth. Richard was born in Phillack (according to the 1851 census) about 1814. (I believe he is the one baptised in Phillack in Jan 1815, son of Thomas and Margaret). Richard's first wife was Elizabeth Charleston. They were married in St Erth in 1839. That marriage is indexed under the spelling "Shaton" in the online index of the parish register. Over the years Richard and Elizabeth had a number of children, variously indexed as Strathen, Straton, Traton, Trathen. Most of these children died at a very young age.
From the indexes online of baptisms in Phillack, Richard appears likely to be the elder brother of the Thomas, b 1817, who is the one you have cited in subsequent censuses. They are probably both the sons of the Thomas (son of George), bapt 1791 in Phillack, but I have not researched this and don't know.
I would be happy to post the information on Richard and Elizabeth (Charleston) Trathan from the indexes and registers of St Erth if it would be of any use.
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Dear Barbara,
The information that you have is consistant with what I know about this family tree. "Shaton" is a variant spelling that I have not seen before in my research.
I would be grateful if you could post any information that you have related to Richard Trathen (son of Thomas Trathen and Margaret Simons) of Phillack.
Peter :)
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Descendants of Richard Trathan
1. Richard Trathan (son of Thomas and Margaret) was baptized January 29, 1815 in Troon, Phillack, Cornwall, England, and buried August 11, 1869 in St Erth, Cornwall, England.
He married (1) Elizabeth Murley Charleston February 19, 1839 in St Erth, Cornwall, England (1 below), daughter of John Charleston and Alice. She was baptized December 18, 1817 in St Erth, Cornwall, England (online index of St Erth church records -- accessible through GENUKI page) and was buried June 15, 1858 in St Erth, Cornwall, England (also from the online index of St Erth register).
He married (2) Elizabeth Matthews, widow, January 10, 1859 in St Erth, Cornwall, England (2 below), daughter of William Woolcock [and Elizabeth Matthews]. She was baptized December 13, 1812 in Crowan, Cornwall, England.
Children of Richard Trathan and Elizabeth Charleston are:
2 i. Thomas Trathan, baptized September 29, 1839 in St Erth, Cornwall, England; buried March 08, 1856 in St Erth, Cornwall, England. (burial record in St Erth index online). On the 1851 census.
3 ii. John Trathan, baptized September 14, 1841 in St Erth, Cornwall, England; buried September 06, 1843 in St Erth, Cornwall, England. (both baptism and burial records in St Erth index online)
4 iii. Elizabeth Ann Trathan, born 1843. (no record of her baptism that I can find, but she is on the 1851 census at Bridge Cellar, St Erth (page 3, household 12) as Elizabeth Ann, age 8, daughter.
5 iv. Samuel Trathan, born apparently March 1843 in St Erth, Cornwall, England; No baptismal record found, but his burial record lists him as 16 months old when he was buried July 14, 1844 in St Erth, Cornwall, England. (see burial index)
6 v. Margaret Ann Trathan, born 1845 in St Erth, Cornwall, England; died October 23, 1845 in St Erth, Cornwall, England. (This doesn't make sense to me because while I didn't find a baptism for her, she is in the census as a 6 year old in 1851, though it lists a "burial" in 1845. It seems possible that the indexer OR the actual record (which I have not examined yet) could have erroneously put her birth in the burial section.)
7 vi. Richard John Trathan, born 1846; (again, I did not find a baptism for Richard, but he was 1 when he was buried May 03, 1847 in St Erth, Cornwall, England. (see St Erth burial indexes online)
8 vii. Prudence Trathan, baptized May 29, 1847 in St Erth, Cornwall, England; buried December 10, 1849 in St Erth, Cornwall, England. (both these are listed in the online index of St Erth)
9 viii. Mary Anna Trathan, baptized June 04, 1849 in St Erth, Cornwall, England; buried January 07, 1861 in St Erth, Cornwall, England. (She is listed as Mary Hannah in her burial record, age 11. In the 1851 census, she is Mary H(l), age 2.
10 ix. Richard Trathan, baptized September 02, 1851 in St Erth, Cornwall, England; buried November 04, 1851 in St Erth, Cornwall, England.
11 x. Prudence Trathan, baptized March 04, 1854.
12 xi. Annie Trathan, baptized December 22, 1855 in St Erth, Cornwall, England; died March 28, 1856 in St Erth, Cornwall, England.
Endnotes:
1. For Richard's first marriage: St Erth Parish records: marriages: P 18, # 36, 19 Feb 1839, Richard Straton , full age, bachelor, labourer, St Erth, son of Thomas Shaton, labourer, to Elizabeth Murley Charleston, spinster, St Erth, dau of John Charleston, labourer, wit: Samuel Trevaskis and Mary Anne Hayes. (this I have verified on the microfilm from the LDS family history library. While it was indexed Shaton, it looks like Straton to me.)
2. For Richard's second marriage: St Erth Parish records,, P 166, # 332, 10 January 1859, Richard Trathan, widower, of Churchtown [St Erth], 46, labourer, son of Thomas Trathan, labourer, to Elizabeth Matthews, widow, of Churchtown [St Erth], 45, dau of William Woolcock, miner. by Frederick Hockin, rector of Phillack. Wit: The sign of Stephen [X] Woolcock, James Rogers. (this I have also verified on the microfilm from the LDS family history library).
While Richard's age is a little 'off' I am sure this is the same man. He is in the census of 1861 as well, but died in 1869 "age 56."
I have kept a standardized spelling, Trathan, because that is the way it was clearest on the census and on the second marriage record. The index to St Erth has it a variety of ways -- including Stratton, Traton, Trathen, etc. As it's online you can check it yourself (just do searches for 'tra' or 'tre' or "Richard" and scroll through the options. I may have missed Samuel because I wasn't creative enough!
I don't know what became of any of the children who survived (seems like only one or two may have). I have not found the family (or what was left of it) in 1871, but I haven't looked very hard, either.
Good luck!
ps: I did notice that there seemed to be considerable inter-marrying between Woolcocks and Matthewses. As even the Woococks are peripheral to me (and the Matthews do not figure in, either) I haven't pursued them very far. But I think there are a lot of inter-relationships that I just haven't discovered yet.
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Peter,
In the 1861 census of St Erth, again at Bridge Cellars (but creatively written by the census taker as "Santtaan" for a surname, we have:
Richard, 48, born at Phillack, an ag lab, his wife, Elizabeth, also 48, born at Crowan [this would have been the former Elizabeth Woolcock Matthews], born Crowan, Elizabeth, 19, daughter, born St Erth, Levinia, 14, daughter, born Crowan, Thomas, 12, son, born Crowan, and Prudence, 9, daughter, born St Erth.
This implies, I would guess, that Elizabeth and Prudence are Richard's children by his first wife, Elizabeth (Charleston), who are pretty much the only two who didn't die young, and the other two, Levinia and Thomas, while listed as "Santtaan" are actually Levinia and Thomas Matthews, children of Elizabeth, by her first marriage.
And in fact a perusal of the IGI verifies that -- Lavinia was baptized 3 October, 1847 and Thomas 28 June 1850 to Thomas and Elizabeth Matthews. There is, in fact, an older daughter, Emma, baptized 5 October 1845.
Thomas and Elizabeth were married 3 November 1844. [Crowan Parish Register, marriage record, p 114, # 227, Thomas Matthews, of full age, bachelor, miner, of Crowan, father: Peter Matthews, miner
Elizabeth Woolcock, of full age, spinster, of Crowan, father: William, miner]
In the 1871 census Lavinia. 23, is still at Bridge Cellars, married to George Hodge [son of Robert; they were married 24 March 1870 in St Erth according to the online index]. Living with them is "Prudence Tratten", a "relative," age 19.
Also in 1871, Thomas Matthews, 22, born Crowan, has moved to Bury, Lancashire [living in North Bury, District 17, at 23 Wash Lane -- St Pauls Ecclesiastical District, Bury Civil District], where he is living with his wife, Caroline, 24, born in Sithney, his mother, Elizabeth Tratten, 57, widow, born Crowan, and several boarders. Thomas is an iron foundry labourer.
Their marriage was likely bet Apr-Jun 1869 in Bury, Lancs as there is one registered there in the June quarter 1869 between a Thomas Matthews and a Caroline Richards.
I have not found Elizabeth, Richard's oldest daughter, yet. Nor have I found any reference to a marriage of Prudence Trathan so far.
Hope this is of some use in filling out the family.
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Hi Barbara,
Thank you for taking the time to post so much information. I can see what you were saying about the poor survival rate of Richard and Margaret Trathan's children, 2 out of 11!.
I'll be adding these names to my research file for future reference.
Peter ;D
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Dear Peter
I just found your reply to one of my very early messages (2001)on Geneology.com. I am a Trathen and was born in Hayle and still live in the area, and my father and grandfather and greatgrandfather were all born in either Phillack or Copperhouse, Hayle. I haven't had time to look at my family history research for quite a while but will certainly dig out my files and see what I have. Ironically - even though I was 'born and bred' there I have very scant information about my greatgrandfather Robert Trathen who must have been born around 1895-1905, so I am never sure which branch of the family I come from.
I also know some of the Uren's of Lelant but never knew there was a family connection between the two families!
Very best
J
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Hello - Just found your posting (I'm a new member!) re Trathens of Phillack. I am Mike Trathen, the great-great-grandson of Thomas Trathen who features (aged 46) in the 1861 census. I have been researching for some years now and have managed to trace his male line back to 1690 with (I hope!) a reasonable degree of accuracy. I'd be happy to let you have details if you'd like them...
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Hi Mike - nice to hear from you.
Is that Thomas son of Thomas Stratton and Margaret Simons or Thomas Williams Trathen, son of George and Elizabeth??? I would be really interested to link up and exchange information although it soiunds like you've gone a lot further back than me. I am back to 1744, with help from this board - the marriage of Edward Stratton and Jane Uren at St Uny, Lelant. My gt gt gt grandfather is Robert Trathen b. 1825, son of Thomas and Margaret.
Very best
J
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I am descended from a Margaret Trathen who married Charles Wearne 12th March 1825 ...does she link up with anyon's Trathens on here ?
James
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PS They were married at St Erth
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Dear James,
I don’t currently have any information that ties your Margaret Trathen to Edward Stratten and Jane Uren (married in Uny Lelant, Cornwall, England in 1744).
However, there are numerous gaps in this family tree.
I have found the research difficult because of the many recorded variant spellings over time (Stratton, Stratten,Strattan, Straton, Shaton, Strathen, Strathan, Strathon, Trathen, Trathan, …). ::)
Do know when Margaret was born?
Peter
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Sadly not ...her marriage date , place & husband is the only information that I have.
James
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The William Trathen you mention above who was working in an iron foundry in Phillack was married to Ann Thomas.
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Dear Jenny,
I checked through my research notes and I believe that William Trathan, age 35, Labourer in Iron Foundry, Phillack, was married to Ann Burt.
William Pennick TRATHEN/Ann BURT, Marriages, Jul-Sep 1842, Redruth, 9, 272
Ann’s siblings- Richard, William, Ellen and Samuel were also living in the same household in 1851.
Peter
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I can see that, and it does puzzle me. Maybe you can help me out with the 1871 census. Charity Thomas is the mother-in-law and two households (Trathen and Gregory)are linked. From my reading, Charity is Ann's mother. She does have a duaghter Ann exactly the right age. I'll accept Burt if it is correct, but can you help me with Charity's connection there?
Thanks.
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Dear Jenny,
I do not have access to the various UK Censuses, so I cannot comment on the information that you have from the 1871 Census.
My research only covers William Pennick Trathan up to 1851, based on the results posted by a previous reader on this subject.
However, I did check Ann Burt’s name on the LTD family history website:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp
I found one IGI record match that appears to correspond with William Trathan’s wife Ann:
ANN BURT
Christening: 26 FEB 1816 Saint Erth, Cornwall, England
Father: Henry Burt
Mother: Patience
Do you have the 1861 and 1871 Cenus records regarding William Trathan’s related households?
If yes, could you post them on this thread so that I can review the information?
This might help clear up the mystery regarding Charity Thomas. ???
Peter
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Is this the 1871 you were looking for?
RG10/2327 Folio 37 Page 28
West Terrace, Phillack, Cornwall
William Trathen 54 Engine Fitter Phillack
Ann 55 St Erth
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John ........... lodger 50 Engine Fitter Camborne
// (separate household)
Han....bal Gregory son 17 ........smith Phillack
Ellen dau 15 Domestic Phillack
Charity Thomas mother in law widow 72 Phillack
1861 RG9/1586 Folio 57 Page 14
Hayle, Phillack, Cornwall
William Trathen 45 Engineer Phillack
Ann 45 Erth
Next door are -
Richard Gregory 44 Master Mariner Gwithian
Ann 44 Gwinear
Elizabeth A 19
Emily 18
Richard 16
John 15
George 13
William 11
Hannibal 7
Ellen 5
All children born Phillack. It seems that Charity is Ann Gregory's mum and that the parents Richard and Ann are away from home in 1871, thats my guess anyway, the Gregorys are a separate household and the "son" is relating to the fact that he is the son of the head of the household (Richard) not that he is son of the previous household :-\
IGI also has christening of an Ann Thomas 29/09/1816 Phillack, parents Richard and Charity Thomas
Regards
Catherine :)
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Thank you. That looks very reasonable. I couldn't figure it all out myself. Charity is my ancestor, so I'm glad to get this corrected.
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Hi Guys,
With reference to Jorose's reply 4 (7 Nov 05) about Elizabeth Mia Strurges Penrose marriage to Richard Tristrail on 23 Nov 1835 I can confirm that the correct spelling should be "Trestrail".
Richard was buried at Phillack 12 July 1864 aged 64 (July - Sept 1864 Redruth 5c 181) whilst Elizabeth M.S. P. was buried at Phillack 1 Sept 1903 aged 93 ( July - Sept 1903 5c 123 or 128).
I can provide census info if required.
Dave.