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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ross & Cromarty => Topic started by: weemary on Wednesday 02 November 05 19:43 GMT (UK)
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if anyone requires a lookup.
Suddie Burial Ground
Kilmuir Burial Ground
Killearnan Burial Ground
Old Churchyard, Avoch
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St Clements Kirkyard, Dingwall
I work so may not reply to you right away
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Thanks for the offer of a lookup.
I am looking for the burial site of JOHN MACKENZIE and his wife ISOBEL STEWART of KILLEARNAN PARISH. JOHN was known as "JOHN MACKENZIE, BUTCHER of KILCOY, on the baptism record of his grandchildren in 1795+." So he died after that date. Looking for confirmation of their burial in Killearnan Burial Ground. Any help appreciated....
BILL DORGAN
billdorgan@billdorgan.com
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There are 3 listed and one listed with an Isobel McKenzie his spouse - he died 1800 and she died 1873 - farmer is the Occ. I'll look through my other books and see what I can find
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Hi weemary.
it's great of you to offer - could you look at the killearnan one for me please?
david christie d.09/01/1910
mary christie m.s gordon d.26/02/1913
murdoch gordon
anne gordon m.s tulloch
kind regards,
Lorna.
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Weemary:
You said that JOHN MACKENZIE died in 1801 and his wife Isobel died in 1873. Is 1873 the correct date for Isobel, becasue that is 72 years after the death of JOHN MACKENZIE? Can yoou check the date for Isobel again, becasue if you mis-typed the date for Isobel, then this may be the husband and wife I am loolking for!
Thanks for your time and effort.
Bill Dorgan
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Sorry John it should have been 1783 - I'll type it out tonight, have work to go to
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Sorry Lorna no Christies in that MI - will check the other tonight
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Thanks Mary! Waiting to hear from you tonight after you return from work!
Bill Dorgan
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Took me ages to find it again - it is listed under Mckenzie and not Mackenzie - hope it is your family
It's number 252 in the MI book Killearnan Churchyard Black Isle
[Flat Stone]
In memory of John McKenzie, farmer in Wellhouse of Kilcoy who died 2nd Jan 1800 aged 70 years; and of Isobel McKenzie, his spouse who dies 4th march 1783 aged 55 years; also in memory of Kenneth McKenzie, son of Colin McKenzie, farmer in Redcastle who died 19th march 1818 aged 21 years; and of Duncan his son who dies 10th August aged 36 years. This stone is erected by Colin McKenzie & Barbra McLennan.
Interesting my family were in redcastle and my 3x grt grandfather was the oldest tenant to die on the state of Kilcoy our families must have know each other
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even more interesting....
my maclennans lived in those areas too and i have 2 barbara maclennans that i dont know anything about.........
i will need to get my notes out and look at the dates again. :-\
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see you have Beaton in your tree - wonder if they are connected to my lot
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sorry mary, i dont know much about my beatons at all - they are an elusive lot!!
i'll start with margaret beaton as i know most about her.
margaret beaton born c1846 (apparently in forres/moray area according to all census records i can find)
she married william fletcher in 1864 in glasgow. (i have info on her husband & children too, but i will stick to beatons for now)
margaret died in glasgow in 1893.
her parents are listed on her marriage and death certificates as kenneth beaton shoemaker and christina macdonald.
after much searching, (and a shove in the right direction from libindx website) i found a brother for margaret - peter beaton c1852, and managed to find out a little about his family too.
i have only found one other sibling for these two - james. the only other thing i know about him is that he registered his father's death in 1869. at the time james was a railway ???(something) at ballinluig in perthshire.
kenneth beaton died in 1869 at the northern infirmary in inverness.
his parents are given as duncan beaton a farm greive and mary clark, both deceased.
christina macdonald died in 1879 at 16 king street inverness. informant was peter, their son.
her parents are given as alexander macdonald farm servant and catherine cumming, both deceased.
there is one other possibilty for another child for kenneth and christina which i found on the igi, but it is a submitted record and not exactly next door to forres where margaret was born. (but then it is not a million miles away either).
KENNETH BEATON
Male
Birth: 20 JUL 1843
Christening: 08 AUG 1843 Killearnan, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
Father: KENNETH BEATON
Mother: CHRISTIAN MC DONALD
kind regards,
Lorna.
p.s - sorry for hijacking your thread......... :-[
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don't think we are connected - just checked - mines are elusive as well
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WeeMary:
Thanks for the information. I have a couple of questions:
1) What does MI stand for?
2.) You listed a Duncan McKenzie who died 10th August aged 36 years. What was the year of his death?
3.) You listed John McKenzie, farmer in "Wellhouse of Kilcoy". What or where is Wellhouse? Was it, and is it today, a small hamlet/town, or was it and is it today, a farmhouse?
4.) My John McKenzie is listed as a "butcher in Kilcoy". His children were baptism in Urray Parish. Is there a cemetery connected with Urray Parish? And, if so, are there records of the gravestones?
Thanks for your help!
Bill Dorgan
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1) What does MI stand for
Monumental Inscriptions
2.) You listed a Duncan McKenzie who died 10th August aged 36 years. What was the year of his death?
It didn't say
3.) You listed John McKenzie, farmer in "Wellhouse of Kilcoy". What or where is Wellhouse? Was it, and is it today, a small hamlet/town, or was it and is it today, a farmhouse?
Sorry I don't know - it could be the name of the farm
4.) My John McKenzie is listed as a "butcher in Kilcoy". His children were baptism in Urray Parish. Is there a cemetery connected with Urray Parish? And, if so, are there records of the gravestones?
Sorry don't know that either
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I did a search on Urray parish and came up with the following
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Urray+parish&meta=
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hello again.
i lived less than 2 miles from wellhouse for most of my life. i know it is/was only a farm/croft not an area. i will check with my dad tomorrow on whether or not it is still inhabitated.
as for burial grounds the closest to killearnan is gilchrist, but i'm not sure if it has been transcribed or not. then there is Urray new and urray old (even the new one has very old stones in it. again, i am not sure if there are transcriptions. you should be able to find out from the registrars in Muir-of-Ord (Urray). the registrar there should be able to tell you about all of these cemeteries.
following info from highland council website:
http://www.highland.gov.uk/landaintra/corporate_services/registrar/registration.htm
Tarradale (Muir of Ord)
Mrs Lorraine Ross, Service Point Office, Seaforth Road, Muir of Ord IV6 7TA
email: lorraine.ross@highland.gov.uk (01463) 870214
Fax (01463) 871047 Mon-Fri
9-1 & 2-4.30
hope this helps.
kind regards,
Lorna.
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sorry for the delay in getting back to you again.
Wellhouse is still a farm and the current occupiers are Camerons.
kind regards,
Lorna.
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Lorna:
Thanks for all your help!
Bill Dorgan
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if it is any help, you can view wellhouse on a map at www.getamap.co.uk if you type in Tore. you should find it ok. they also have a link there to historic maps, so if you find wellhouse first then click the oldmaps link it will take you straight to an image of the wellhouse location circa 1880. (my apologies if you already know all this).
kind regards,
Lorna.
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sorry, the map wasnt meant to be quite so big.... :-[
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Lorna:
This is WONDERFUL! Thanks so much for doing this for me! the map is a great addition to my Genealogy Project!
Bill Dorgan
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Sorry...Hijacking thread once again to mention :
Also found on IGI DUNCAN BEATON 1839 Inverness, Inverness, Scot.
To Kenneth Beaton and Christina MacDonald
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thanks for that.
i must have another look at the igi, its ages since i looked at that part of my tree....
kind regards,
Lorna.
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Hello Weemary,
I had ancestors William MCLENNAN and Margaret BAIN who have proven elusive. I too got the Avoch and Suddie booklets as they were the closest to Strath of aucheterflow (where they lived). If the other booklets are for kirkyards nearby I'd appreciate a look inside. William and Margaret had children 1790 to 1801 so I guess would have been born around 1774 at the latest and died early to mid-part of 19th century.
The children were Donald (b. 1790) John (my ancestor - moved to Aberdeen and was buried there. b. 1792), William (b.1795 - died in infancy), another William (b. 1798) and Roderick (b. 1801)
cheers
Cas Liber in Sydney, Oz
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Hi WeeMary,
Just noticed your kind offer. If you have time, I'd be very grateful if you can find any members of the Angus family burried in Dingwall. They lived in the area from about the mid 1800's and descendants are possibly still in the area.
Grateful thanks,
Sukie
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casliber there are too many Mclennans/Maclennans to mention
Sukie - no Angus listed - thsts not to say they aren't buried there, they may be no headstone
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WeeMary - Many thanks for looking, it would be very possible that there were no headstones, I believe the family were shepherds, so I don't expect they had much money in those days, or possibly there is another church in the area-Regards Sukie
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Hello Weemary.
Good of you to make your MIs available to others. Can you tell me, please, what Chisholms you have in Killearnan?
Matchis.
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matchis I have the following Chisholm
Colin, Donald, Iain, and Martha. Donald and martha are in the same lair
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Weemary. I am most grateful: many thanks.
I can see you across the water - I live in Rhu!
Matchis
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Hi Weemary,
Do you have any mention of Christopher Urquhart or Ann McKenzie (MacKenzie) in your MI books?
They were married on 23rd January 1806 on the Black Isle, and had children born between 1807 & 1827 so they must have died after 1827. Christopher was a coppersmith by trade.
I was noticing your profile and I see you are looking for relatives on the Black Isle, Aberdeen & South Shields - well that is the route my family took!
My 2 x great grandfather Hector Urquhart was born 1814 on the Black Isle, moved to Aberdeen where he married Margaret Campbell Graham, in 1842. They then moved to South Shields before 1855. One of their daughters Jane Urquhart married an Edward Middleton Robson in South Shields 15th April, 1882. We seem to share some places and names!
My theory about all the moving is connected to the 'Land Clearances' do you think that is why your family travelled?
Best Wishes,
Patsy
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Hi Patsy
would you have an idea of where your family lived in the black isle. I'll have more time to look tomorrow as it is my day off.
Just noticed I also have Robson's in my family from Southshields/Sunderland area. Twice in my family tree, still to prove if they are connected in anyway.
Reason I ended up being from Sothshields, is my father met my mother in Greenock, while in the navy, after their marriage, they went back to Southshields
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Dear Weemary,
At the time of Hector Urquhart's birth the family lived at Bishop Kinkell, and he was christened on 13th September 1814 by the Rev. John McDonald in Urquhart & Logie Wester.
If you have any questions about your South Shields Robson family put a post on the Durham board - you never know we might have some of the same Robsons in our family trees - and I will check my names.
Thank you for taking the time to check your MI books, and don't forget to take some time on your day off to put your feet up.
Best Wishes,
Patsy
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Hi Patsy, no mention of Christopher or Ann in the MIs that I have, sorry
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Dear Weemary,
Thank you for taking the time to look.
I will find them one day - probably when I am not looking!
Best Wishes,
Patsy
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hi weemary, could you please look at killearnan again for me?
thanks.
janet maclennan/mclennan m.s mcdonald/macdonald probably btwn 1841 and 1855. 1841 census shows her as being 70yrs old.
she was the wife of john maclennan/mclennan a general weaver.
also could you check killearnan for a william fraser please. he died pre 1883 and his wife was isabella unknown. his occupation was given as a canvas weaver.
btw - i am not in a hurry for these, just whenever you have the time will do.
thanks again,
kind regards,
lorna.
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Weemary - would you be good enough to look up in your MI booklet of Suddie Churchyard for the surname "McLeman" and advise me of the inscription.
I understand that there is but one buried there. Any help is most gratefully appreciated.
Torrygirl - Canada
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:-[ and if you have time....
barbara maclennan born c1837
thanks.
Lorna
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apoligies, for not seeing this sooner, busy at work, and now also helping to transcribe the OPRs for FreeREG Scotland
torrygirl found yours.......
[Curved] In loving memory of Alexander MACLEOD died 20th Dec 1957 aged 87 yrs, husband of Janet McLEMAN "Until the day break"
Lorna will get back to you
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Lorna there are 3 Wm Fraser's no occ mentioned, although one is a minsiter and one who's wife's name is Jessie McDonald
the other one is as follows.............
{Gothic} Erected in memory of William FRASER who died Arpafeelie on the 17th march 1884; also his beloved wife Isabella MACKENZIE who died on the17th July 1887; and their eldest daughter Jessie who died Beauley on the 19th Feb 1919.
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I have a Janet, but she is 8 yrs old, also the Barbra McLennan is married to a Colin Mckenzie - would this be yours
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thanks for taking the time to check for me - it is much appreciated.
unfortunately, that particular william and isabella are incorrect as the couple i am searching for had a daughter isabella who died in 1883 aged 72 and her parents were already deceased.
the search continues............
thanks again,
Lorna.
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sorry i dont know anything about my barbara -she disappears after 1851 census aged 15yrs and cant find any more about her.
i thought maybe she had died between 1851 and 1855 and maybe thats was why i couldnt find a marriage or death for her.
but, i will check scotlandspeople for the marriage of barbara to colin and find out if it is correct....
kind regards,
Lorna.
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hi weemary.
i didnt find their marriage. - could you tell me barbra's date of death if it is on the stone please?
kind regards,
Lorna.