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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: VICTORIA on Friday 27 August 04 17:00 BST (UK)
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???I have just received death certificate of my grandfather John Thomas Hope who died 17/09/1945 His home address was 43 Nursery Street Liverpool. The informant of death was his son Ralph Hope of 10 Whitely Street Lioverpool 6.
The place of death was 107 Rice Lane Liverpool. In the sub district of Walton Park. Could this have been a private home?? Can anyone help ???
Victoria ???
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Hi Victoria ;D
I had a similar incident with my great grandfather's death certificate for 1943. The address where the death took place in Belfast, Northern Ireland appeared to be a private home but, after enquiries, turned out to be the Belfast City Hospital.
Maybe it's the same in your grandfather's case. Well, not the Belfast Hospital ;D but a hospital nevertheless!
Cheers
Aaron ;)
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Hi Victoria,
It could be Walton Hospital, I don't know when it was built but I know it on Rice Lane in Liverpool.
Hope this helps
Ange ;D
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Hi,
Thought this might appeal to you
Paul McCartney
James Paul McCartney was born at 107 Rice Lane, Walton Park, on the 18th June 1942, the son of James McCartney of 10 Sunbury Road, Liverpool, who was then working as a centre-lathe turner in an aircraft factory. Paul’s mother was Mary Patricia, born 29th September 1909, the daughter of Owen Mohin, a coal merchant, of 2 Third Avenue, Fazakerley.
taken from the following website.
http://www.iol.ie/~beatlesireland/heritage/paul.htm
Wendy
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Hi, Thanks for information.
I now know that 107 Rice Lane was Walton Hospital. :)
Victoria
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This post is very old, but I just saw it. 107 Rice Lane is a hospital in Liverpool. Paul McCartney was born there.
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That was Walton Hospital.
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From the early years of the 20th century, it became customary for births in workhouses (and workhouse infirmaries) to be registered with the street address of the workhouse, or a made-up address where there wasn't an actual address. This was later extended to deaths.
I have several of these euphemistic addresses on (mainly death) certificates of people in my tree, with the informant being "the occupant" of the address, e.g.
1 Derby Road, Wesham (Fylde workhouse at Wesham, also known as the loony bin to my dad, whose grandmother it was who died there!)
32 Watling Street Rd, Fulwood (Preston workhouse)
The Lodge, Bowthorpe Rd, Norwich (Norwich workhouse)
etc
There is an (incomplete) list of these euphemistic addresses on www.workhouses.org.uk
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Hi
My great grandfather died in 1949 at 59 Church Road, Tranmere, Birkenhead. I found out that it was an hospital/infirmary and used to be the workhouse for Birkenhead. I was also told the reason why they just put the address was because it still carried the stigma of being a workhouse. Was Walton hospital a workhouse?
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They were still doing it in 1953 with 107 Rice Lane. How bad must life have been in those workhouses if it still caused embarassment in 1953.
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Just adding a couple of directory entries for 107 Rice Lane: from 1914 (Workhouse) and 1938 (Walton Hospital).
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They were still doing it in 1953 with 107 Rice Lane. How bad must life have been in those workhouses if it still caused embarassment in 1953.
I am not at all Convinced that this Method of Recording Births and Deaths by the Registrar Office had anything whatsoever to do with Shame in any way.
Everyone else had their Birth or Death Precisely Recorded as to the Exact Address.
But if you Recorded " Hospital " you wouldn't know which side of the Road it was on,
Or how far down that long "Rice Lane" it was
Quoting the Exact Postal address is therefore more Logical and Accurate !
We now know 107 Rice Lane = Walton Hospital
and 56 Church Road =Tranmere and Birkenhead Infirmary
Others are 126 Smithdown Rd= Sefton General Hospital
and 42 Belmont Rd = Newsham Hospital
and 241 Westminster Road = Kirkdale Industrial Homes
And Best of All - 51 Balliol Road = Bootle Maternity Hospital where I was born in 1949
A Posh Victorian House and Never Ever a Workhouse!
(https://i.postimg.cc/hjKN8w96/Bootle-Maternity-Hospital-51-Balliol-Rd-where-I-was-born.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/02GBCSGF/Bootle-Maternity.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Posh one Top Right.
Our Doctors Surgery and others were opposite in those Posh Houses.
Numbers 47 and 49 Straddled Stanley Rd going into Liverpool
For nearly 4 years 1974 to 1977 I got off the number 55 Bus on Stanley Rd between 47 and 49 to work
at 46 St Peters House
never ever knowing that I was born across the road at Number 51
till nearly 50 years later.
Small World !