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Need correct address (mail,fax or email) and $ fee to obtainpre-1850 baptism and marriage records at St. Patrick Catholic Church/Parish, Belfast ?
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Try emailing the Ulster Historical Foundation based in Belfast, enquiry[at]uhf.org.uk they should be able to give you the address of the Church
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Hi Anthony ,
Thanks for the Rootschat response. Hope these
few words find things going well. Could you be so kind
as to make a verbal inquiry to see if Daniel McKenzie
(b.c.1810), Eliz. (b. June 1847) & John's (b. Aug. 1848)
baptismal records are available at St. Patrick's Catholic
Church in Belfast or diocese archive etc. Daniel m.
Margaret Miller c. 1840-46. Any other children are not
known. If you indicate the status to me via email or
Rootschat etc., I will then make the necessary
arrangements and payment to obtain the same.
Thanks again , WaltNJ-USA
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Hi,
For clarification, the Diocese is Down and Patrick.
This page shows where the rest of the records are held
http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/fuses/rcparishmaps/index.cfm?fuseaction=showlikerecords&citycounty=Belfast&parish=Belfast
You're looking for the Ulster history Foundation (Commissioned research only) or the Public Records Office of Northern Ireland or the National Library in Dublin if they are not held in the church itself.
The record start 1798 but there's a gap 1811 to 1814.
regards
Kate
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Hi Anthony ,
That's great news, can't ask for more that that. Thanks very much for your help, time & effort ! Walt-NJ-USA
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Hi Anthony ,
I just found a new lead for my paternal O'Neil ancestors. It involves the Shankill area of Belfast City 1810-50. I'm terribly confused by all the maps etc., it appears Shankill is no longer a viable area today. Do you by chance know the Catholic Church(s) of the 1850's and today for this area. Here's hoping its a small area. Thanks very much , Walt
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Hi Anthony ,
Thanks very much for all your help. I really appreciate it. Let's hope St.Mary's or UHF yields result. I wonder if St.Pat's on Donegal St. is different from a St.Pat's in Shankill area of Belfast 1840's. Or does Donegal St. have these records if they exist ?
Kind regards , Walt
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:( :( Hi Walt i was at the UHF today but still no luck going to St Mary's today.
I ask the man in the UHF was there a St Patrick's on the Shankill Rd he said that St Patrick's is in the Parish of the Shankill and not on the Shankill Rd.
What do you think about that Walt.
If i have no luck at St Mary's i will need to go to the PRO but i con't go for about 4 to 6 weeks is that okay.
Good luck
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Hi Anthony ,
So good to hear from you. I can't tell you enough how much I appreciate all you help.
From family verbal handowns & skimpy records here and there ,in the 1840's they lived in Belfast City, Shankill civil parish. Therefore, I though it was going to be easy with only one church. I thought for sure, with the m. & 2 b. were from 1846-48, it would be easy ? My understading is that Shankill is not a very viable area today but it was in the 1840's. What UHF told you makes a lot of sense to me. Is it known whether the old records of St.Pat's, Shankill are at St.Pat's Donegal St ?
Kind regards , Walt
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Hi Anthony ,
I have recieved your email of 10/1, 10/2(17:03-St.Pat's Record Dates) & todays(Mon.) 10/4(14:52). I am waiting on your St. Mary's visit & Proni visit in 4-6 weeks. These email are all thru Rootschat with no other emails that I know of. Is there anything I need to do ? Thanks very much , Walt
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Hi
I was perusing the Chat aspect of this site & I noticed your correspondence with an Anthony re records at St. Patrick's church. Did you ever get the info you required? St. Patricks is part of the large Diocese of Down & Connor, and is situated in Donegall Street, Belfast.
The Shankill area you mentioned runs at right angles to The Falls Road. The Falls area is predominately Catholic & the Shankill area is predominately Protestant. They are both sited in West Belfast. They don't exactly see eye to eye with each other, although there are now some cross-community schemes in operation. Tensions between them is far less now than it was some years ago.
If you haven't found that Certificate I will see what help I can give you, but I suspect Anthony has already sorted out your problem.
If there are any other threads concerning people born or living in Belfast, send me an email via this site.
Kind regards
Ed
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Hi Ed , Thanks for the reply. Latest info below. We were unable to locate any church records but Anthony did find a Daniel McKenzie in Belfast 1842 directory living on Donegal Quay (a publican) but this lead to no further info. Likely Falls (Catholic) area, see CHURCH below. Does Shankill civil parish (CP) include all of Belfast or just part. Also is the Shankill area of Belfast smaller but within both the CP & Belfast city ?
TIA for any help , Walt
---------McKENZIE ~ O'NEIL ~ SULLIVAN ~SHEEHAN ~ MADDEN---------
PRESENT PRIMARY NEEDS ARE ANY ONE CHURCH RECORDS OF DANIEL'S BIRTH, MARRIAGE OR DEATH or 2 CHILDREN BIRTHS.
….. Data is from US census, church and vital records. All US records just indicate
Ireland (Ire) as place of origin. No Ire civil records can be located. Ire church records very difficult to search with no results to present. ~~~~~~~
ANCESTOR(S): Daniel McKenzie my gg grandfather-c. 1810 -75. ~~~~~~~~~
BIRTH : Ire-b.c. 1810-25 and d.c. 1855 -75. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
MARRIAGE : Margaret Miller (Millar, Meuller) Ire-c. 1840 or 46. ~~~~~~~~
CHILDREN : Elizabeth b.c. June 1841 or 47 Ire. John b.c. Aug. 1848(48-51) Ire. Other children unknown. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
MIGRATION : Pre-1800 early generic McKenzie research suggest origination in NW Scotland and Inverness area with probably migrated to Ire late 17th century (1680's) across the channel to No. Ire in western Ulster-Derry, Antrim etc. John (1872) and Eliz. (1895) to America (Boston). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
CHURCH : Ire / Scotland (Scot) history of McKenzie / Miller strongly suggest Protestant-Presbyterian, Methodist, COI etc. However, US m. and d. records strongly suggest Catholic as the US family is today. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
OTHER : Daniel's parents and siblings unknown. Other family forenames
1850-90 are James, Francis (Frank), Joseph, George. Daniel also had a brother (or 1st cousin) named John.
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Hi, Walt
I'm an McKenzie, My family came from Co.Fermanagh.My GGandfather was Alexander Henry McKenzie born 1835 his father was John McKenzie born 1801. They left to Manchester,England, about 1845 then he came to Ameriea 1862. There was an cousin John McKenzie that live at Ballyreagh-Tempo Co. Fermanagh. Did you have any family in Co. Fermanagh?
Thanks,
Tom McKenzie
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Dear T McKenzie,
I am very sorry to tell you some bad news but we believe that Walter has sadly died last month.
Regards
Sarah