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				I am looking  for any information  of the family of 
 Joseph Smith   married to Sarah Corderoy  in 1876  in Bethnal  Green
 
 Is anyone  else reseaching  these names  please, any help appreciated
 with thanks
 Jenny  NZ
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				Hello, Jenny.
 
 I am not connected im any way with your 2 names but I think you will find the following interesting.
 
 1871 census
 RG10/488  folio 8  page 9
 27, Cudworth Road, Bethnal Green
 
 John M. Smith  age 54   Furrier  b  Belgium
 Caroline  wife age 50   b  St Lukes
 Joseph  son age 21  Shoemaker  b  Clerkenwell
 Leonora  dau  age 20   ditto  b  Whitechapel
 Lewis  son  age 11   b  ditto
 Julius  son  age 9  b  ditto
 Caroline  dau  age 8   b  ditto
 John M. Smith  age 23  shoremaker b  Clerkenwell
 Emily  wife age 22 b  Stanstead , Essex.
 
 1871 census
 RG10/492  folio 17  page 27
 3, Trafalgar Place, Bethnal Green
 
 Jane Corderoy  widow  age 36  Hawker  b  Bethnal Green
 Eliza  dau  age 25  Laundress   b   ditto
 Henry son age 19   Hawker  b  ditto
 Sarah  dau   age 16  ditto  b  ditto
 John  son age 14?  Lab.  b  dittp
 
 1881 census
 Rg11/411  folio  109  page  48
 6, Amos Place,,Betham Green
 
 Joseph Smith  age 25   Bootmaker  b  St Lukes
 Sarah  wife age 27   b  Whitechapel
 Joseph  son age 4   b  Clerkenwell
 Eliza  dau   age 11 mths  b  St.Lukes
 
 1891 census
 Rg12/257  folio 122  page 46
 13. Nelson Place,  St. Matthews Bethnal Green
 
 Joseph  Smith  age 35  Boot Laster  b  St Lukes
 Sarah  wife  age 38  b  Whitechapel
 Eliza  dau  age 12   b  St.Lukes
 Rose  dau  age 9   b   Canada, British subject
 Henry  son  age 7   b  Bethnal Green
 Marion  dau  age 5   b   ditto
 Harriet  dau  age 2   b   ditto
 Alice  son ?   age 1   b   ditto
 
 1901 census
 RG12/282  folio 66  page 59
 135, Columbia Rd  Bethnal Green
 
 Joseph  age 44   Shoemaker   b  St Lukes
 Sarah  wife age 48   b  Whitechapel
 Joseph   son age 24  Fish Fryer   b  Clerkenwell
 Eliza  dau 20  Cigar maker  b  St. Lukes
 Rose  dau  age 19   b  Canada
 Henry  son age 17  Greengrocer's Ass.  b  Bethnal Green
 Marion  dau  age 15, Boot machinist  b     ditto
 Harriet  dau age 12   b   ditto
 Alice  dau  age 11   b   ditto
 Jessie   dau  age 8  b   ditto
 George  son age 3  b  ditto
 
 They seem to have mislaid son Joseph on the 1891 census, I cannot find him eslewhere, it is possible the enumnerator simply did not enter him.
 
 I could not find any entry that seemed correct in the 1861 census
 
 I hope all ths is of use to you,
 
 Meliora
 
 
 
 
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				Hello Meliora,
 Thank you very much for all the lookps you did,  and yes they are a big help, and like you say they are interesting,  esp:  the one child that was born in Canada,   and so interesting what different ones did for a living,  gives you a bit of an insight on how they lived back then
 Jenny
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				Hi Jenny
 
 I have just come across this post and think that you may have gotten mixed up here.
 
 The information posted for 1881,1891 and 1901 all concern the family of Joseph Smith and Sarah Green married 1874 in Shoreditch.
 
 The George Smith aged 3 in 1901 was my Grandfather.
 
 Andy
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				Hi Andy,
 So pleased   you picked that up,   I to have a Joseph Smith who was a boot maker  in Bethnal Green,  one of his Daughter's ( Alice ) was my Granmother,  she married in 1903
 to William Suggett,
 I will have to start again to look for my Joseph Smith who married Sarah Corderoy
 Jenny
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				What other information do you have to confirm that this might be the right family?
 
 1901 census RG13 225 folio 24
 23 Duncan Square Hackney  London
 Joseph Smith 49 Hackney, London,  Head Married Boot finisher
 Sarah Smith 42 Bethnal Green, London,  Wife Married
 Sarah Smith 22  Bethnal Green, London,  Daughter  Boot Machinist
 Alice Smith 19  Bethnal Green, London,  Daughter Boot Machinist
 Frederick Smith 15 Bethnal Green, London,  Son Van Guard
 Alfred Smith  13 Bethnal Green, London,  Son
 Elizabeth Smith  11  Hackney, London,  Daughter
 Florence Smith  8  Hackney, London, Daughter
 
 1891 census RG12 97
 31 Duncan Square Hackney  London
 Joseph Smith 38 Bethnal Green, London,  Head Married Bootfinisher
 Sarah Smith 32 Bethnal Green, London, Wife  Married
 Sarah Smith 12 Bethnal Green, London, Daughter
 Joseph Smith  10 Bethnal Green, London, Son
 Alice Smith 8 Bethnal Green, London,  Daughter
 Fredk Smith 5 Bethnal Green, London, Son
 Alfred Smith 3 Bethnal Green, London,  Son
 Elizth Smith ½ Bethnal Green, London,  Daughter
 
 1881 census RG11 428 folio 31
 14 Blyth Street Bethnal Green  London
 Joseph Smith 27 Loughborough, Leicestershire, Head Married Bootfinisher
 Sarah Smith  21 Bethnal Green, Middlesex,  Wife Married Bootfinisher's wife
 Sarah Smith 1 Bethnal Green, Middlesex,  Daughter
 Joseph Smith 3mths  Bethnal Green, Middlesex,  Son
 
 Regards
 
 Valda
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				1871 census RG10 474 folio 15
 18 Halfefield? Street Bethnal Green  London
 George Corderoy 31  Bethnal Green Head Married Wood Carver
 Sarah Corderoy  30  Bethnal Green Wife Married
 Sarah Corderoy  12  Bethnal Green Daughter
 Caroline Corderoy  8  Bethnal Green Daughter
 Martha Corderoy 4  Bethnal Green Daughter
 Elizabeth Corderoy 1  Bethnal Green Daughter
 Sidney Corderoy  15  Shoreditch Brother-in-law Paper hanger
 
 Regards
 
 Valda
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				Valda,     Thank you very much,   you were correct in what you sent, my Sarah Corderoy was born 1859, & her parents were George & Sarah,   when Sarh married Joseph Smith I beleive he moved into Blythe St  where she was already living,    the only two children  I could find belonging to them were Alice, ( my grandmother ) & her brother Alf, as my Mum had spoke of him,  I also believe Alfred had joined the Coldstream Guards,,   I have had a devil of a job finding this Smith Family  and still am
 Jenny
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				Hi Jenny
 
 Glad you are on the right track now. I know how hard it is to find a Smith in London.
 
 Good luck.
 
 Andy
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				I'm not sure if you are still working on this search as the last entry was in 2007.  
 If I'm on the right track, I"m looking for a Joseph and Sarah Smith who I believe had twin sons William and Thomas.  William ended up in Canada but any further info may not be known to his family back in England.
 Not sure if the Sarah you are looking for is the same as the one I am but thought I'd ask.  Does this ring a bell at all?
 I believe William and Thomas were baptised in Bethnal green in 1884 which I have documents of...just not 100% sure I have the right Smith's...but still trying...
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				Hi, I am always looking for info; on the Smith's it's like looking for the Jones's, 
 but re; your Smith, I am really not sure,  do you know what their Father did for a living,
 I have Joseph Smith born 1852 as a bootmaker  in Islington, London, but  he was born in Leicestershire,  Loughborough,
 his wife was Sarah Corderoy, their  daughter (my Grandmother) Alice Smith was born 1882 in Bethnal Green,  you really need their birth certs to trace them back,
 good luck with  finding them
 Jenny
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				It is a tough job digging through all the Smith's.  Fun though.
 
 Not sure what the Jospeh Smith (my great grandfather) did for a living at this point in time.  William and Thomas were baptized in Bethnal Green and I have seen documents for that, but no birth certificates as of yet.
 I know that William was my grandfather and that he came to Canada leaving children behind in England, perhps a wife, but not sure.  I just need to find the right William first.  William was my dad's father and he tells me that Joseph and Sarah were his grandparents.  He also says that William had a twin brother.  I've come across a William and Thomas born in 1884 to Joseph and Sarah Smith but not even 100% sure if it is them.....one day, I'll figure it out.....
 Thanks for replying...if you ever hear anything similar to this, I'm always here....
 I'm also on ancestry.ca
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 I am always here as well, if you  find  anything,  did you get in touch with Andy on this post,  some of these Smith's maybe his & their is  a Rose in the 1891 & 1901 census aged 9 & 19,  that was born in Canada, though the other family members were born in Bethnal Green, worth looking at,
 Good luck with your research
 Jenny
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				Hi Jenny. 
 I don't know if I can help you or not, but I think the Sarah Smith (nee Corderoy) that you refer to might be my great-great aunt. My Great grandmother way Alice Berthelemy (nee Corderoy 1872 - 1946) and she has a sister Sarah, who was born in 1859 at 63 Old Nichol Street and died in 1887 (aged 28 years) Her married name was Smith. I don't know a great deal about Sarah, but I have been exploring a bit of family history and might have pieces of the jigsaw that you do not, Also my Mum is still alive and will be 90 years old in September. As mentioned above, her grandmother was Sarah's younger sister and Mum is very clear minded and can remember her grandmother well - she might remember something?!
 Please let me know if you think I can be of assistance.
 Alison
 
 
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 Hi Alison,      sorry it has taken awhile to get back to you, it is holiday time over here in NZ and have been away,
 thank you for getting in touch,  my gr. grandmother is Sarah Corderoy born: 15 Feb 1859, who married Joseph Smith, I know little about them,  Sarah parents are  George Corderoy born: 1840-1911  and Sarah (nee) Reynolds born: 1841- 1887
 my grandmother was Alice Smith who married William Suggett
 Sarah  born 1859  was born at 63 Old Nichol St, Bethnal Green
 
 if you want to get in touch my e-mail is
 jennybp@xtra.co.nz
 Many Thanks        Jenny
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				I have no personal connection at all, but am fascinated by the name "Corderoy" as I assume it must have something to do with the fabric.
 
 You might want to look at this:
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corduroy
 
 Apparently the fabric is known as "Manchester" in some parts of Europe, which may turn out to be a clue at some stage?
 
 
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				It may not be to do with the fabric. I have the name Corderey or Cordrey in my tree , going back to the early 1700s. According  to surnamedb.com Cordery , Corderoy and other variations come from the Old French , cuer de roi , meaning king's heart :
 http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Corderoy
 
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				Thank you, that is very interesting,  I don,t know much about the Corderoy side of the family at the moment  only that they lived in London,    I don,t think I would have associated the material with them though,  but everything is worth looking into when doing research
 Clare