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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: Welsh Jen on Wednesday 25 August 04 16:23 BST (UK)
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Dear Rootschatters!
If anyone is researching the Swansea S.Wales region with regards to Irish immigrants drop me a post. I may be able to help you :)
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Hi Jen,
I don't know if you can help me, I have a Charles Hamilton in my tree, he was born in Waterford City, Ireland about 1884, he was still in Waterford on the 1901 Census.
He married, I don't know if it was in Ireland or elsewhere, I know his wife's name was Cissy or Cecelia. I have always been told he settled in Wales and the only clue I have is a photo taken of him with his wife and children, it was taken in Swansea in a studio and the name on the bottom of the photo is H. A. Chapman. They had at least 3 children, Stewart, Josie and Nellie or at least that is what has been passed down to me by elder family members who have now passed away.
Thanks again for your offer of help.
Jan
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Hello again. Thank you for your post
After re - reading your posting I noted that he is still in Ireland in 1901. Then any census details I have won't be relevant in your search. The only thing of help and freely available to you would be the Free BMD's http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl within that I only found one entry relating to a Charles Hamilton (perhaps a child of his?):
Births Jun 1903
Hamilton Charles Donald Swansea 11a 1121
These are all the other entries for Swansea:
Deaths Dec 1901
Hamilton Maria 67 Swansea 11a 564
Births Dec 1904
Hamilton Vera Swansea 11a 1118
Births Sep 1907
Hamilton Trevor John Swansea 11a 1107
No mention of a Stewart, Josie or a Nellie.
I have also searched the Mormon site with no match to your particular names and dates given for Charles Hamilton
With regards to his move to Swansea. He would have quite likely have moved to an area called "Greenhill" this was known locally as "Little Ireland" and most of the Irish settled in these parts ~ this area is now Dyfatty Traffic Lights. I myself have Irish ancestors in this area. It was a poor part of Swansea were a lot of disease troubled them as living conditions were atrocious! especially going back to the 1840 / 50's. It was also a very lively part of town, you find this when reading stories (petty sessions etc) in the old newspaper 'The Cambrian'
Do you know which religion he pertained to? The majority of the Irish that settled in Swansea were Roman Catholic and many worshipped at St David's Roman Catholic Church Rutland Place, Swansea. The records for this Church are held in the Swansea University Archives, and the point of contact is Archivist Elisabeth Bennett.
Incidentally now there are 67 individuals listed on the most recent electoral roll living in Swansea, that is quite a few more than the 4 listed on the free bmd!
I am aware that there used to be a Photography Studio in Swansea by the name of:
H.A. Chapman Photographic Studio, 235 High St, Swansea (it does not exist now) H, stood for Henry.
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Hi Jen,
Thanks so much for taking the time to try and help, I have searched everywhere I can online for any record of Charles and his family.
The only thing that I have found in the BDM is an entry in Flintshire for the birth of a Josephine Hamilton born 1907, Volume 8a page 402, this could be his daughter, the dates would fit. I guess the only way is to order the certificate and see, even though it's a long shot.
I have never been into a records office, although I do visit the FHS and know how to use a film reader. I am going into the Records office in Liverpool very shortly, I believe they have records for the whole of England and Wales, if I look at the records for Flintshire, will I be able to see who actually registered the birth of the above Josephine, or will I just have to pay the £7 and take a chance that it may be who I am looking for.
Charles was a devout Roman Catholic so I may contact the Archivist at the University, thank's once again for all your help.
Jan
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Hello again, Thanks for your posting.
If Charles was a R.Catholic then it is highly likely that he attended St Davids Roman Catholic Church, however if you wish to know more about the parish records I know you have to write to St David's Priory to ask for permission.
Here is Elisabeth Bennett's contact details:
http://www.swan.ac.uk/lis/historical_collections/archives.asp#uni
With regards to the Birth entries pre 1900 you will only see the entry for the individual and the quarter of the year in which they were born (Jan - March, Apr - June, July - Sept, Oct - Dec) after 1900 the mothers maiden name will also be listed.
You will have to purchase the certificate to find out who registered an individual and for parentage etc.
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Thought of you when I recently viewed this photograph in a local history publication. It is of H.A.Chapman Photographers in High St Swansea c. 1905..
Hope you have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
;)
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Hi
I think this is a long shot, so if you unable to help please dont worry.
I have an ancestor who was born in Cork Ireland in 1833 who came to the UK (dont know when) and ended up in Kent settling and marrying there.
His name was Michael Kenealy. I have been told that the people who came from Cork to UK normally ended up in Wales and then sometimes onto London (or in my case just up the road in Kent)
hence the long shot in whether you can find him?
Michael Kenealy born 1833 Corke Ireland - ? when he came to UK
thanks for any help :)
jax
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Hi Jax.
It was common for the Irish to arrive in places such as Newport or Swansea in Wales before moving onto other regions in the U.K But you should also consider places such as Liverpool whose port was extensively used by the Irish during the the mass exodus. Between 1840 - 1860 thousand of Irish migrated but from the 1850's+ there were higher numbers arriving than in the 1840's, the numbers decline by the 1880's
It is known that the Irish from south western counties of Ireland Cork, Waterford and Limerick moved into South Wales and Bristol and from there many then moved on to London at a later date. Many irish did not settle in these places for long due to discrimination.
You may find this link of interest: http://www.movinghere.org.uk/galleries/histories/irish/settling/settling.htm
A lot of Irish were sent back to Ireland unless they had the right of settlement, you may find this link informative:
http://www.deedee46.fsnet.co.uk/settle.htm
I am not up on the Kent area, but I know that Irish did settle in places such as Wolverhampton. See links: http://www.wolverhamptonarchives.dial.pipex.com/local_migration_19th.htm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/legacies/immig_emig/england/black_country/article_1.shtml
The problem with the Irish is that they usually did not leave much of a paper trail and their lives were not documented very well unless they were receiving in-door, or out-door relief or commited a crime of sorts.
I hope i have given you a little more insight.
Kindest Regards Jen
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His name was Michael Kenealy. I have been told that the people who came from Cork to UK normally ended up in Wales and then sometimes onto London (or in my case just up the road in Kent)
I have taken a look at the surname (and the variants, as it will not be spelt correctly!) here are all in Glamorgan in 1861
You will see the problem of the birthplace only listed as Ireland which does not help with pinpointing possible ancestors:
Glamorgan 1861 Census
4035 1861 CENSUS OF CARDIFF ST.MARY. REF.R.G.9/4035, E.D.13.
Piece: 4035 Folio: 004 Schedule: 059
Address: PENDOYLAN STREET 21
KENNELY PATRICK HD M 30 LABOURER
IRL - (c1831)
KENNELY MARGARET WI M 30 -
IRL - (c1831)
KENNELY MARY DA U 6 -
IRL - (c1855)
KENNELY MICHAEL SO U 3 -
IRL - (c1858)
KENNELY CATHERINE DA U 1 -
GLA CARDIFF (c1860)
Glamorgan 1861
4035 1861 CENSUS OF CARDIFF ST.MARY. REF.R.G.9/4035, E.D.13.
Piece: 4035 Folio: 003 Schedule: 052
Address: PENDOYLAN STREET 19
MADIGAN MICHAEL HD M 25 LABOURER
IRL - (c1836)
MADIGAN ELION WI M 24 -
IRL - (c1837)
MADIGAN BRIDGET - U 3 - [DA]
IRL - (c1858)
MADIGAN CATHERINE - U 3M - [DA]
GLA CARDIFF (c1861)
KENNELY CATHERINE ML W 55 -
IRL - (c1806)
Glamorgan 1861 Census
4059 1861 CENSUS OF PENYDARREN DISTRICT. REF.R.G.9/4059, E.D.19.
Piece: 4059 Folio: 061 Schedule: 072
Address: PENYDARRAN ROAD 107
BOYLE JOHN HD M 44 PUBLICAN
IRL - (c1817)
BOYLE CATHERINE WI M 47 -
IRL - (c1814)
BOYLE ALICE DA - 12 -
IRL - (c1849)
HORRIGAN JULIA NC U 20 SERVANT
IRL - (c1841)
CHEEKLY WILLIAM BO U 30 LABOURER
IRL - (c1831)
KENNEALEY THOMAS BO W 25 LABOURER
IRL - (c1836)
KENNEALEY JOHN BO U 23 LABOURER
IRL - (c1838)
SWEENEY JAMES BO U 21 LABOURER
IRL - (c1840)
Glamorgan 1861 Census
4105 1861 CENSUS OF SWANSEA UPPER. REF.R.G.9/4105, E.D.17.
Piece: 4105 Folio: 045 Schedule: 189
Address: COOMB ST.3
DONOVAN JOHN HD M 32 FARMER 30A
IRL - (c1829)
DONOVAN JOHANNAH WI M 29 -
IRL - (c1832)
DONOVAN JULIA DA U 6 -
GLA MERTHYR (c1855)
DONOVAN JAMES SO U 3 -
GLA MAESTEG (c1858)
MURPHY JERRY LG U 24 LAB.
IRL - (c1837)
KENALY PATRICK LG U 20 LAB.
IRL - (c1841)
Kindest Regards Jen ;)
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I have a question on irish immigrants to the Trevethin Monmouthshire area of Wales.
Should I start a new topic to ask a question?
Thanks Jan (tinka)
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I don't mind if you place your question here, but you may get more feedback for the Monmouthshire region if you post a new thread within the Monmouthshire board.
Kind Regards Jen :)
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Just wanted to say thanks Jan for your replies - great info
It's very much appreciated ;D
jax :)
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I posted on the monmouthshire page and SUCCESS (many thanks to pritch19) I found my Irish ancestor's family in the 1861 census. Thank you for the advice, I have found this link very interesting to read. Keep up the good work. Jan
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Hello Jen,
Would you be able to give me any advice on the following?
My Catholic g.g.grandfather, John FORD, was born in the Kinsale area of Co. Cork. I discoverd him on the 1861 census for Stroud, Glos: living with his wife Mary, who was born in Queenstown, Co. Cork, and their daughter, Mary Anne, b. 1857 in Newport, Wales.
Would this birth be recorded in Newport? If so, where? So far I have been unable to trace any evidence on her birth. or Christening.
Mary, John's wife, died in Stroud in late 1861 and John remarried in 1862 at the Catholic Church in Stroud. It was from this record that I found out that he was a Catholic. However, the Priest at the church was unable to give me anymore information on what I had.
I would be grateful for any help you maybe able to give me.
Regards,
Jane Joy.
Scotland.
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Hi Jen
Would you have any info on a Thomas Crowley from wexford who came to Wales around about the first World war and married a Edith Miram Edwards in 1918 in Swansea. Any help would be great.
Regards Steve
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Dear Rootschatters!
If anyone is researching the Swansea S.Wales region with regards to Irish immigrants drop me a post. I may be able to help you :)
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My Grandfather CharlesP Burns was born in Merthyl @1858 to Irish immigrants Patrick and Abigail( Moriarty) Burns.Patrick worked in the iron works, I believe. The family left Wales @1860 and returned to Ireland and had more children there..They would have baptised the baby Charles in a Catholic Church in Wales.. I have tried in Vain to find a birth record. Tonight , I just figured out the Myrth spelling in his Rhode Island obit was spelled wrong and it was probably supposed to be Merthyl. Can you lead me to a birth /Baptismal record? It has been a long journey and I hope to find more clues to figure out his place of birth. Thank you .
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Hi , my family the Mcintee settled in Swansea, greenhill, greenrow.They were Roman Catholics. We however are stuck about any information before 1885 on the head John Mcintee. He was bn 1864 , this according to death , marriage and censuses. His father was also John. John bn 1864 married mary owens in 1885 and on the marriage certificate says his father was now deceased. It also said john lived at old road, no one has ever heard of it. My uncle who has now passed said he thought they came from Mayo Ireland but don t know why he thought this . We cannot find any births for him ot where he was between 1864 to 1885. Some of the family changed surnames to Murray later on , again no idea why. Hope you can help we been going in circles for years .Dee John was a dock labourer.
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Welsh Jen who started this topic hasn't been online since 2005 so is unlikely to be replying. However, if you click on 'report to moderator' you can ask for your post to be split to start a new topic on the correct Welsh board (not Europe board where this topic seems to be by mistake). There are lots of other Rootschatters who will be able to help with information or suggest where to search next.
Added- actually you already have a topic on Beginners board for the same family and replies have been posted so best to keep all details together- a moderator will be able to sort it all out for you.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=674318