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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: celticgirl on Tuesday 25 October 05 17:46 BST (UK)
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I am looking for a marriage between Paul Loewe and Jane Florence Andrews. I'm basing my info from their son's birth certificate which says that he was registered on 17 June 1861 and lived at 6 Brecknock Terrace, Camden New Town, reg dist St Pancras, sub dist of Kentish Town, County of Middlesex.
Therefore, I'm estimating that the marriage would have taken place around 1861 or just before.
Any help, even if its to tell me I've put this request in the wrong section, would be most welcomed!
Thanks.
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Celticgirl,
The only marriage for a Jane Florence Andrews I can find was one in 1901 in West Ham ref Sep 1901 4a/508
The only ref for a Paul Loewe was in 1909 in Lewsiham
ref Sep 1909 1d/2262
Are you sure this couple actually married?
Claudia
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Hi, yes, Im sure they married because on their son's birth cert, she (his mother Jane Florence) is listed as Loewe formerly Andrews.
The other dates you mention, I have, - one is the marriage of their son, 1909.
Many thanks for looking up - much appreciated.
Interestingly, I am unable to find this family on any of the census returns!
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Celticgirl,
How about they married outside of England/Wales - ie Scotland, Ireland, Europe.
The name Loewe - is it German - could the marriage have taken place abroad.
Also, just because the birth certificate says the parents were married, does not always mean they were!
I think you need to look at other possibilities, especially when you cannot find then on any census.
The address they give on their son's birth certificate in 1861 - have you tried to find that address in 1861 census as, even if they are not there, it may give some clues.
Hope you find them!
Claudia
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I've found the address in 1861...
1861 Census - RG9/119 Folio: 58 Page: 11
6 Brecknock Terrace, Kentish Town, St Pancras, Middlesex
Peter Laurie? abt 1830 Paris, France B.S., Head, Clerk to Colonial Merchant
Flora Laurie? abt 1840 Alton, Hampshire, England Wife
Best regards,
John
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This is interesting in 1871...
1871 Census - RG10/767 Folio: 12 Page: 24
68 Limes Grove, Lewisham, Kent
Edmond Spencer Creese abt 1823 Gloucestershire, England Head, Surveyor of ...?
Florence Jane Creese abt 1841 Alton, Hants, England Wife
Rod Herbert Creese abt 1862 Islington, Middlesex, England Son
[looks like Paul Herbert]
Florence Clara Creese abt 1864 Islington, Middlesex, England Daughter
Edith Gertrude Creese abt 1866 Eisth, Kent, England Daughter
Eva Kate Creese abt 1868 Eisth, Kent, England Daughter
Clara Chapman abt 1844 Alton, Hampshire, England Sister-in-law
Florence Chapman abt 1862 Islington, Middlesex, England Niece
Mary Anne King abt 1851 Plumstead, Kent, England Servant
Best regards,
John
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Taking it back to 1851 for ANDREWS ...
1851 Census - HO107/1500 Folio: 217 Page: 22
6 Edward Street, Islington West, Islington, Middlesex
John Andrews abt 1803 Alton, Hampshire, England Head, Cab Driver
Mary Andrews abt 1816 Selborn, Hampshire, England Wife
Joshua Andrews abt 1838 Selborn, Hampshire, England Son
Jane Andrews abt 1840 Selborn, Hampshire, England Daughter
Clara Andrews abt 1843 Selborn, Hampshire, England Daughter
Ann Andrews abt 1846 Hampton, Middlesex, England Daughter
I think Selborn is Selbourne, near Alton.
Best regards,
John
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Marriages Dec 1877
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ANDREWS Mary Ann F Islington 1b 411 ???
CREESE Edmund Spencer Islington 1b 411
LAKER Dorcas Martha Islington 1b 411
Webber William Islington 1b 411
John
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Thanks very much for all that info John! I am really confused now!
Their son, Paul Herbert Loewe b. 1861, married Alice Jane Hood in 1881 at Charlton Church, Kent, Woolwich. Their children were as follows:
Gertrude A. Loewe
Pauline Emily "
Paul Herbert "
Gordon H. Loewe
Florence Naomi "
Edith Kate "
Ernest Spencer Loewe
Constance Irene Loewe
Violet Eileen Loewe.
This family are all as listed on the 1901 census, but Ive been unable to find them on any other census. However, on the 1891 census the exact same family are listed but all having the surname Crease! How so!
If one of them remarried, how come the certificates are all with the surname Loewe, as is the 1901 census. Its just somewhere in the middle, the surname Crease appears. Have you any advice on why this should happen.
Many thanks for your time and patience!
Steph
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Hello Steph,
I'm just as confused as you are! I thought it was going well - Flo marries Peter/Paul, has a son Paul Herbert, Peter/Paul dies and Flo remarries to Edmund. The children then take his name CREESE on the 1871 census. But then the marriage appears in 1877 to Mary Ann F ANDREWS. This completely threw me, because his wife is still called Florence Jane in later censuses. I wonder if she is 'Mary Ann Florence Jane'. And did she ever marry Peter/Paul?
Found this couple in 1881 :)
1881 Census
40 Wellington Ter, Greenwich, London, England
Paul H. Creese abt 1858 London, London, Middlesex, England Lodger (Head), Annuitant
Alice Creese abt 1859 London, London, Middlesex, England Wife
Best regards,
John
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Hello
Doing a bit of housekeeping and noticed this seemingly unresolved older request. Are you still looking for this information? If so it might be tricky to find so if you have any additional information which may help please let us know.
If I don't hear from you in a while I'll assume you're no longer looking or have found the information in the meantime and move it to 'Completed'.
Regards
Biker
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Hi Biker
I still havent found any new info, so am still at that brick wall! I will understand if you need to move it though.
Kind regards
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Hello
Sorry cannot be of more help.
If you haven't done so already, the complete index to BDM is available to browse free here http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/rectype/vital/freebmd/bmd.aspx
Regards
Biker
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