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Hi
Iv'e been trying to trace were in West Cork my G-Grandfather John Hourihane b1831 in Cork came from but without much success. I visited Skibbereen in August 2004 but was unable to find out anything. I send email to anyone on the Internet with the name Hourihane most reply but cannot help. I have also sent out 26 self-addressed envelopes to Hourihane addresses in west cork, which I found in the local phone book but only received 4 replies. They kept saying in the letters that the Hourihane family was a small group of family’s but it seems strange to me that no one has any ancestors who moved to Newport S.Wales.Can anyone think of any other way I can find information about my family?
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It is not very common name?? I saw the census returns for 1891 on www.nationalarchives.gov.uk for England - the Hourihane lived in Somerset.
Try to look at www.ancestry.com - simply type the Houricane and there is a list to choose from - I saw Irish Obituary one of them - may connect with yours.
Good luck!
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Hi
Thanks for your reply I’ve had postings on www.ancestry.com for two years without any luck . I’ve found all my family In the U K the problem is finding the West Cork connection.
Mike
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Mike,
When did they come over to UK?
If they appear on any census doesn't it say where they came from.
Have you seen this page - linked through Genuki.
http://tiara.ie/cork.html
I visted Skibereen as part of our Irish hols, last year- absolutely loved it.
My inlaws were from Co Clare. I did go talk to a priest in Buttevant and find loads of ancestry stuff for a friend.Once you do find where they were from it's a good idea to talk to the local priest.
What about the Irish BMD indexes available at any LDS site?
And I presume you've tried the IGI on http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true
If I think of anything else to suggest I'll be back ;D
Carol
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Hi again Mike
Just had another thought ;D there are 54 Hourihane's on Genes Reunited.
See http://www.GenesReunited.co.uk
Suggest you mail some of them and see if there's a connection anywhere,as obviously they are all interested in tracing ancestors.
Once you are able to give us some christian names and dates,maybe one of us will be able to find something for you .
All the best
Carol
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Thanks for your advice about my G Grandfather John Hourihane .The only information I have is from the 3 censes which only says Co Cork Ireland. And from his marriage certificate from 1850, which gives his fathers, name as Denis.
John Hourihane was born 1831 County Cork Ireland his father was Denis Hourihane.
John moved to Newport South Wales, he married Bridget Collins (born Ireland 1835 fathers name Timothy Collins) in St Woolas Church Newport South Wales on 1st December 1850. All there children were born in Newport South Wales.
Michael born 1852
Denis born 1853
Jeremiah born 1855
John born 1859
Timothy born 1861
James born 1864
Thomas born 1867
John born 1869
Mary Ellen born 1871
This is all the info I have
Mike
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In the Griffith Valuation there was only one family Hourihane in Co Cork, Timothy in Reen Myross. But before you get too excited, Hourihane strokes me as a name with a number of alternative spellings.
Hourahane Jeremiah in Cousane Kilmocomoge and Timothy in Kilnagospagh Caheragh.
Lots of Hourahan in Kilgarriff, Ightermurragh, Fanlobbus, Kilmeen, Kilmichael, Kilmocomoge, Dromdaleague, Dangandonovan, Creagh, Caheragh, Kilmurry, Shandrum,Skull, Youghal, Templemartin, St Annes Shandon, Brigown, Ballyoughtera, Ballymodan and Kinneigh.
Most in Cahergah.
Some of these are in the diocese of Cloyne so the catholic (were they catholic?) records are closed to researchers and you have to pay Mallow Heritage centre for a search of their records. May be worth a try.
The others are the Diocese of Cork and Ross and need to be searched individually.
Kate
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I am related to a number of Hourihane families in West Cork. Did you see an old message at Genealogy.com about a later John Hourihan?
"Matt in my list of Hourihans I have John Hourihan born Nov. 1861 to Jeremiah Hourihan
and Mary Hurly, New Road, Dunmanway this John
went to South Wales later, are you connected JohnFH in Dublin
Johnfh@indigo.ie "
http://genforum.genealogy.com/hourihan/messages/176.html
I know that John had a stroke a few years back, so sadly is probably contactable any more.
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Hi Mike ...I think we've been in contact before (?) ...a few years back (?) re my 'Hourihan-O'Brien's.
The 'John Hourihan' just mentioned above (of Dublin) was actually a descendant of a 'Hourihan-O'Brien'. He had an ancestor's birth certificate showing same .... yet his parents had only used 'Hourihan'. My cousin actually met 'John H' in Dublin ....a few years back now ...and we have a copy of his relative's cert ..... 'Timothy Hourihane O'Brien'. (I heard too that John was in ill-health.)
Valerie (WAus)
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Hi Valerie
Yes I think we have been in contact before; I have contacted most people at some time .I found a lot of Hourihane /Hourihan in the phone book in Ireland. I sent prepaid return envelopes to them all, some were kind enough to reply but without any success .The only thing I can think of is that my branch of the Hourihane /Hourihan family have died out in Ireland
Kind Regards
Mike
:'(
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Hi Mike,
In case it helps ..... I was able to get a few clues from my g/grandad's army records (HEIC 1853-69)......also from the 1911 census (Lewisham) ....(just before he died) he actually completed it himself and put 'Drimoleague' as birthplace.
So now I'm in touch with the (latest?) Dunmanway Research/Historical Society (not sure if I've got that right!) .....they have a welcoming site. If you think it's worth a try you could ask 'Tommy Collins' ...he seems to be in charge.
Valerie
Any hope of you checking the same?
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Mike,
Had no idea you were still looking.
I too have mailed out letters to people and got a pretty good rate of response, but only because I was able to provide details like census info, marriage records, etc. They could say definitely no they were not related and one guy who did went out of his way to ask around and he came up with something for me!
I am in touch with several Hourihane hunters around the Skibbereen area, and in addition Tommy Collins at Dunmanway has been helping me with tithe applotment transcriptions for the area. I can say that of the tithe applotments we have looked at *so far*, I have not found a Hourihane named Denis. You may want to check out my tithe applotment page as it contains links to other Cork tithe applotment transcriptions that I have not done:
http://www.corkgen.org/publicgenealogy/cork/titheapplot/
There is a Denis Hourihane who is a baptismal sponsor to somebody in Skibbereen. Also at least one man by that name in the RC parish of Barryroe, which I think is up in the union of Clonakilty. (Not all church records that are supposed to be online are online yet.)
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/search.jsp?name=Denis+Hourihane&location=&dd=&mm=&yy=&submit=Search
Have all those leads fizzled out?
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Thanks for your help and the links.I thought I was the only one looking for the Hourihane family, As I’ve never been contacted by any Hourihane family hunter’s. Its funny Tommy Collins is helping you at Dunmanway.My Great Grandmothers farther was a Timothy Collins, I wonder if we are related.
I had a some replies from letters in the Skibbereen area, but no help with my family.
You would have thought that someone had a John Hourihane born 1831 in there family .Most families you see went from Ireland to America, but John Hourihane went to Newport South Wales .
We came to Ireland in 2004 and stayed in Skibbereen, there were lots of Hourihane name’s on the shops .
Keep in touch
Mike
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Tommy Collins is descended from Collinses in Loughcrot and from Lissangle.
My Collinses came out of Lissane, also out of Adrigole.
We do not know if our Collinses are related and we are both unaware of a Timothy Collins in our direct ancestral lines. That name is key, as from what I have seen so far in tithe applotments, Timothy occurs as a first name more frequently than even a name like John. With the ubiquity of men named Tighe around the time of the Elizabethan pardons, I have suspected that the *lack* of Timothys in our lines could mean something. There are 246 people named Collins in my own family database and the number continues to grow.
The Hourihanes I know about are from Cloghane, Bauravilla, and Tooreen. One of the Bauravilla ones, Peadar, was a well-known nationalist, teacher, and writer. He wrote columns on local history in the Southern Star for many years. Peadar might be descended from both Bauravilla and Cloghane Hourihanes. The name sometimes gets changed as Howard.
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Hi
Iv'e been trying to trace were in West Cork my G-Grandfather John Hourihane b1831 in Cork came from but without much success. I visited Skibbereen in August 2004 but was unable to find out anything. I send email to anyone on the Internet with the name Hourihane most reply but cannot help. I have also sent out 26 self-addressed envelopes to Hourihane addresses in west cork, which I found in the local phone book but only received 4 replies. They kept saying in the letters that the Hourihane family was a small group of family’s but it seems strange to me that no one has any ancestors who moved to Newport S.Wales.Can anyone think of any other way I can find information about my family?
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My Greatgrandfather was William Hourihane who lived in Skibbereen in the mid 1800's. He had at least two sons who emigrated to the United States. One returned to Skibbereen, and the other son, my grandfather Cornelius, remained in Massachusetts.
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pondjumper, are you trying to locate your ancestor? What is your grandfather's birth date?
irishgenealogy.ie will probably have your grandfather's baptism record online, and if he was born after 1863 there should be a birth record in civil registration.
Here is one possible such baptism record:
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/71af020075280
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In my database of five parishes south of Cork City, I see 14 spellings of the name you give as Hourihane, about half beginning with K, such as Kerukawn, Kerrukwan, Kerrukhan. Each parish priest seems to have had his own favorite forms of the name. If the K spellings still exist, it is possible that the bearers of those name forms do not know that their surname is the same as Hourihane.
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pondjumper, are you trying to locate your ancestor? What is your grandfather's birth date?
irishgenealogy.ie will probably have your grandfather's baptism record online, and if he was born after 1863 there should be a birth record in civil registration.
Here is one possible such baptism record:
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/71af020075280
Thank You for the website. This information is exactly what was given to me via oral history by my father.Now to explore more about William Hourihane, (also my father's name). I saw the posting about names like Hourihane starting with the leter K. That would make it seem very similar to middle eastern names such as "Khouri". I have also been told by people who I have met from Turkey that Hourihane is very common surname in that country. Makes me think that the Spanish invasion of the Moors to southern Ireland (Cork) might have been brought to Ireland that way. It is my understanding that Hourihane is the root name from which Hogan, Horton, hanrahan, etc swas derived.
But thank you very much for the website. I have been thinking about asking my brother (William) to do a DNA trace since it can only be done via father to son in tracing the paternal origin.But I am very keen on locating the ancestry of William and Ms. Sullivan which the website indicates were my greatgrandparents.
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I don't know anything about Hourihanes in Turkey specifically. I do know that waves of Irish fled to continental Europe and beyond each time they rebelled and pissed off a British monarch and they knew they had to get out of Dodge City.
The name starting with K- may also be a variant spelling of KERUCANE, which is an agonomen for Driscoll.
See:
Driscoll DNA Project (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~colin/DriscollOfCork/DNA.htm)
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Here are the results of a more extensive query for the same family:
William Hourihane and Ann Sullivan (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/search.jsp?name2fm=&name2l=&namefm=William&namel=Hourihan&location=&dd=&mm=&yy=&submit=Search&sort=date&pageSize=100&diocese=&parish=¢ury=&decade=&exact=&ddB=&ddM=&ddD=&mmB=&mmM=&mmD=&yyB=&yyM=&yyD=&locationB=&locationM=&locationD=&member0=s&member1=&member2=&member3=&member4=&member5=&member6=&member7=&member8=&member9=&namef0=Ann&namef1=&namef2=&namef3=&namef4=&namef5=&namef6=&namef7=&namef8=&namef9=&namel0=Sullivan&namel1=&namel2=&namel3=&namel4=&namel5=&namel6=&namel7=&namel8=&namel9=&keyword=")
I am not (yet) aware of a Hourihane Y-DNA project but that doesn't mean one won't be there in the future. That would be excellent if your brother, a direct male descendant of the area, were to contribute a Y-DNA test. An autosomal DNA test may connect you with people descended from ancestors from the same neighborhood and provide further clues as to where to go poke around in the records. If you have a parent or uncle or aunt alive in the line of the ancestry you are researching it is better if the older generation takes the autosomal DNA test so the genes are less diluted.
I have Hourihane ancestry from Caheragh too, and have 5 or 6 genealogy pen-pal buddies who also have Hourihane ancestry from Caheragh parish, though none have taken a test. There are a lot of Eugenes and Mortimers in Caheragh in particular and they are messy to sort out...
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Thanks, Cousin, for all of your good advice. What is "Caheragh"? The name of a parish? A cheiftain tribe?
I plan to ask my brother to take the DNA test through another company. Parents, etc, have all passed away.
I found the web page regarding the Hourihane roots very interesting. Traced us all the way back to Adam and Eve! It seems to say that the Flynn/Flinn name was also a part of our line.
My grandmother, whose ancestry I know very little about, was Rose M or Rose Anne Flynn.
According to the U.S. Federal Census of 1920, her dob was abt 1885. She arrived in the USA 1901.
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Sounds like you need a primer on geography. I would find it impossible to navigate records without knowing geography.
Administrative divisions (http://www.corkgen.org/publicgenealogy/cork/admin.html)
Cork Civil Parishes (http://www.corkgen.org/publicgenealogy/cork/parishes/)
FTDNA has the best database, with a lot of active DNA projects. There is no monthly subscription, unlike 23andme. FTDNA periodically offers a good sale. The last sale ended early this year. (I make no money off of DNA kits.)
Stories about origins fall somewhere in the realm of myth and legend. Perhaps they have a grain of truth. Anybody who claims they have worked out a family tree back to Adam and Eve is spinning a tale, as far as I'm concerned.
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Sounds like you need a primer on geography. I would find it impossible to navigate records without knowing geography.
Administrative divisions (http://www.corkgen.org/publicgenealogy/cork/admin.html)
Cork Civil Parishes (http://www.corkgen.org/publicgenealogy/cork/parishes/)
FTDNA has the best database, with a lot of active DNA projects. There is no monthly subscription, unlike 23andme. FTDNA periodically offers a good sale. The last sale ended early this year. (I make no money off of DNA kits.)
Stories about origins fall somewhere in the realm of myth and legend. Perhaps they have a grain of truth. Anybody who claims they have worked out a family tree back to Adam and Eve is spinning a tale, as far as I'm concerned.
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Sounds like you need a primer on geography. I would find it impossible to navigate records without knowing geography.
Administrative divisions (http://www.corkgen.org/publicgenealogy/cork/admin.html)
Cork Civil Parishes (http://www.corkgen.org/publicgenealogy/cork/parishes/)
FTDNA has the best database, with a lot of active DNA projects. There is no monthly subscription, unlike 23andme. FTDNA periodically offers a good sale. The last sale ended early this year. (I make no money off of DNA kits.)
Stories about origins fall somewhere in the realm of myth and legend. Perhaps they have a grain of truth. Anybody who claims they have worked out a family tree back to Adam and Eve is spinning a tale, as far as I'm concerned.
Not a primer on geography. A primer on Irish terminology. I have been using the link to church records since my last post and see that it has something to do with Catholic parish areas.
I know where Skibbereen is and that it is in County Cork. I thought that was a good place to start. I am also Canadian Indian and know that my maternal grandmother came from the Sokoki village which was part of the Abenaki tribe in Quebec, Canada. My geography knowledge is just fine for a beginner of Irish roots., thank you.
I'm sure I'll do fine with all of the resources you have shown me . Good luck and Be Well...
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Thanks, Cousin, for all of your good advice. What is "Caheragh"? The name of a parish? A cheiftain tribe?
Okay, have it your way, but when somebody asks a question like this I provide geographical resources.
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Hi Mike ...I think we've been in contact before (?) ...a few years back (?) re my 'Hourihan-O'Brien's.
The 'John Hourihan' just mentioned above (of Dublin) was actually a descendant of a 'Hourihan-O'Brien'. He had an ancestor's birth certificate showing same .... yet his parents had only used 'Hourihan'. My cousin actually met 'John H' in Dublin ....a few years back now ...and we have a copy of his relative's cert ..... 'Timothy Hourihane O'Brien'. (I heard too that John was in ill-health.)
Valerie (WAus)
With regards to the above quote, I tried making contact with 'John H' mentioned but my email was rejected. I have just received a copy of my husbands HOURIHAN family tree from my Father in Law and was trying to fill in some gaps...my husbands grandfather was a Donald Hourihan, born in 1917 Tylorstwon, South Wales, his father was Albert James Hourihan, born in 1892 in Somerset Leys, Frome Somerset, his father was John Hourihan (who I think is the same as above link?) born in 1861 in Dunmanway, Co Cork and his father was a Jeremiah Hourihan, married to a Mary Hurly (?) and that's where my info stops.
If anyone can fill in any gaps or put me in touch with anyone else with the same names/dates I'd appreciate it to see how much more I can glean ;D
Ellie (Cheshire, UK)
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Hi Ellie - I'm wondering/hoping you may have made some progress? I would like to share what info we both have.
(have sent you a 'PM' but apparently your 'mailbox' is FULL -can you try mine?)
Valerie
WAus
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Ellie has only made one post so is unable to send or receive private messages.
Ellie if you make two replies on the thread, just Hi or similar will do, you should receive Valerie's message.
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Hello from Abertawe, not that far away from you!! One of my great, grandmothers wasMary Hourihan. She married Timothy Donovan and they lived in the Leap area of West Cork. Leap is between the town of Clonakilty and Skibereen.
Regards.
Keith
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Hi Keith
I'm not sure where you found me on 'Rootschat'!?? However I will give you MY family links!
Our family descends from 'Hourihan/e-O'Brien' - areas Dunmanway/Drimoleague/Bandon/Leap.
MY g/grandad was George BRIEN b1829 Dunmanway to John Brien and Mary nee Leary.
(they re-settled in Woolwich c1845 - George BRYAN dCatford 1912.
My grandad (their lstborn) John Henry BRYAN d Lewisham 1950 (m Clara Muggeridge d1924)
My father Charles Henry BRYAN b Lewisham 1915 emig 1951 & d Perth WAus 1985. (my home)
Misc notes:
Margaret Brien (g/dad's sibling (parents John & Mary nee Leary) b 1837 m John Crowley (?)
James Brien " " " " b 1839 m Catherine Collins b1843 …. Bantry mother Ellen Collins b1805
A few years back -John Hourihan of Dublin (now d) shared 'Hourihan/e-Brien' info i.e. his parents were Timothy & Mary Hourihan/e-O'Brien from Leap.
Valerie (nee Bryan)
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Hello Valerie. Initially, I was wondering if this Hourihan/ O'Brien connection could be the same family.
I can't see a direct correlation with the dates, of both families.
There is always the possibility that there is a long, perhaps 2 links down the line, so who knows?
I also have links to Bandon (Barry, Collins, Sullivan), Timoleague (Madden), Rosscarberry (Dempsey),
Kinneigh (Murphy and Corcoran), Dunmanway (Hurley and Donovan) and general West Cork links, with Decoursey and O'Brien (specifics yet to be discovered).
Good luck with your research.
Regards from Cymru (Wales)
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Hi
The John Hourihane you 1st asked about who emigrated to Newport, Wales and Married Bridget Collins in 1850 are my Great Grandparents X3
I would love to hear from you if you are still interested.
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Hi -
'Yes' …….. I'm interested in learning more of your link with John Hourihan. I have only just come across your info.
Please can you 'pm' me?
I tried to 'pm you' - without success! (Think you need to 'post' another one or two posts to connect.)
Valerie
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Hi Valerie,
N Gaskell is able to receive and send PM's if they wish, they have been notified by email of your reply.
Regards
Sarah